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  • T E Peterman
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    A lot of non-genealogists incorrectly assume that the only reason anyone is interested in family history is to somehow prove that we are better than someone else. They don't get it. It's plain curiosity -the lure of Terra Incognita.

    Timothy Peterman

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  • Daniel72
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    I believe we are living in a computer simulation.
    G.O.D. (Great Omnipotend Datacruncher) knows every one of my thoughts, my steps and whatnot. And its omnipresent in the simulated space. and of course it also has the ability to cheat.

    And once I am dead, my personality file goes on the harddisc or the trashcan. dependant on if I am chosen to exist in another simulation or not.

    One day, when G.O.D. 2.0 is activated with the brandnew paradise simulation, I hope my personality file is put to the "inhabitants folder" and I see some of my anchestors too.

    Love the Matrix, dont fight it. :P

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  • spruithean
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    Originally posted by PDHOTLEN View Post
    I don't see what moralizing about one's own life has to do with the search for one's ancestors and one's lineage over time. Evil and rotten people sitting in jail probably are just as curious about their lineage as prosperous hoytee toytee people; probably more so, since they have lots of time to think about things. And are we really certain that there will be ancestors waiting to greet us in "heaven"?
    Everyone has a slight interest in their family tree even if they don't know it.

    No we're not certain, its a belief, its also a nice thought, but don't get me wrong I'm not bashing any religions here. I believe there is some place we go and meet people from the past......

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  • PDHOTLEN
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    Originally posted by Stevo View Post
    Maybe. I agree it doesn't make one any better or any worse. It's what we ourselves do with our own lives that counts. Our long-dead ancestors cannot live our lives for us.

    Of course, I like to think that if I am a decent guy, my ancestors will be proud of me and not be ashamed to greet me when I get to heaven.
    I don't see what moralizing about one's own life has to do with the search for one's ancestors and one's lineage over time. Evil and rotten people sitting in jail probably are just as curious about their lineage as prosperous hoytee toytee people; probably more so, since they have lots of time to think about things. And are we really certain that there will be ancestors waiting to greet us in "heaven"?

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  • Stevo
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    Originally posted by spruithean View Post
    I to am interested in knowing whether my ancient ancestors where Scandinavian or what..... With roots in Scotland and a member of I1 its hard to say. But I don't think finding out what your ancient ancestors were makes you any better or worse.

    I do get that feeling sometimes. Perhaps one day that will disappear.
    Maybe. I agree it doesn't make one any better or any worse. It's what we ourselves do with our own lives that counts. Our long-dead ancestors cannot live our lives for us.

    Of course, I like to think that if I am a decent guy, my ancestors will be proud of me and not be ashamed to greet me when I get to heaven.

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  • spruithean
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    Originally posted by Stevo View Post
    Well, I am interested in knowing whether my ancient ancestors were Celts or Germans, but out of curiosity, not because I think being one or the other is some sort of claim to fame.

    It's a shame we can't talk about these sorts of things without having to write reams to qualify what we say so that we make the proper number of bows toward and burn the right amount of incense before the altar of political correctness.

    Ever get the feeling that the mere mention European ancestors incites others to immediately assume you are some sort of closet racist?

    It gets old.
    I to am interested in knowing whether my ancient ancestors where Scandinavian or what..... With roots in Scotland and a member of I1 its hard to say. But I don't think finding out what your ancient ancestors were makes you any better or worse.

    I do get that feeling sometimes. Perhaps one day that will disappear.

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  • Stevo
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    Well, I am interested in knowing whether my ancient ancestors were Celts or Germans, but out of curiosity, not because I think being one or the other is some sort of claim to fame.

    It's a shame we can't talk about these sorts of things without having to write reams to qualify what we say so that we make the proper number of bows toward and burn the right amount of incense before the altar of political correctness.

    Ever get the feeling that the mere mention European ancestors incites others to immediately assume you are some sort of closet racist?

    It gets old.

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  • spruithean
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    Um. Is this slightly out of hand?

    Why does one need to imagine Haplogroup genocide??

    I often wonder if Hitler was a J2 of some sort or maybe even G wouldn't that throw him off... Even his Aryan race business.... he didn't even look it himself.

    But anyways back to R-M269. It is important to know where it originated, but its claiming whether its Celtic or Germanic or something that isn't important (or at least to me!).

    I so far have two tested ancestors descending from this R-M269 person. Although one is so far a un-SNP tested R1b1b2 and a R-M222 from Ireland.

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  • Stevo
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    Originally posted by Daniel72 View Post
    Yeah.
    But imagine a Celtic version of the Nazis.

    Testing whole populations and sending anyone who is not R-M269 to the Gas Chambers.

    Or ethnical weapons.
    Viruses or Nano-Bots who fly though the air and kill anyone who has not the right haplogroup.
    Oh, good grief!

    I don't imagine such things.

    This is a hobby for me. My ancestors were human beings, not "Aryan Supermen". Heck, they got their butts whipped often enough! Who could imagine some sort of superiority for them?

    To be honest with you, I think modern political correctness is more of a danger right now than what you have cooked up above. Everybody and his brother are lining up to fight imaginary Nazis. Easier to fight willow-the-wisps than any real threat, I guess.
    Last edited by Stevo; 20 June 2009, 08:27 PM.

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  • Daniel72
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    Originally posted by Stevo View Post
    What is true is true. If the population of Germany is mostly female, then it is, and there is no reason not to say so.

    "Excluding others" is not in and of itself always a bad thing. Reality does it all the time.
    Yeah.
    But imagine a Celtic version of the Nazis.

    Testing whole populations and sending anyone who is not R-M269 to the Gas Chambers.

    Or ethnical weapons.
    Viruses or Nano-Bots who fly though the air and kill anyone who has not the right haplogroup.

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  • Stevo
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    Originally posted by Daniel72 View Post
    Well, I somehow dislike wordings like this. Because they exclude others.

    If I say that Germans are mostly female, I kind of make the suggestion that they are normaly not male. Or that only female Germans are real Germans or something like that.

    Females are the largest gender in Germany. They even hold the absolute majority. Males may be a minority. But they should be mentioned.
    What is true is true. If the population of Germany is mostly female, then it is, and there is no reason not to say so.

    "Excluding others" is not in and of itself always a bad thing. Reality does it all the time.

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  • Stevo
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    Originally posted by 1798 View Post
    . . . I suppose it doesnt really matter where R-M269 originated.
    It may not matter to you, but it does to me!

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  • 1798
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    Originally posted by spruithean View Post
    I don't think all Celts are R1b1b2. Celts could be anything from R1b, I2b, I2a, etc. maybe even I1.

    Not sure where R-M269 originated. Try looking on wikipedia or something. It probably originated in the Near East, or at least came from there like most European Haplogroups.
    I think you are right.The Celts were a mixture of haplogroups.I suppose it doesnt really matter where R-M269 originated.

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  • Daniel72
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    Well, I somehow dislike wordings like this. Because they exclude others.

    If I say that Germans are mostly female, I kind of make the suggestion that they are normaly not male. Or that only female Germans are real Germans or something like that.

    Females are the largest gender in Germany. They even hold the absolute majority. Males may be a minority. But they should be mentioned.

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  • Daniel72
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    Originally posted by Stevo View Post
    By the way, I wouldn't define "mostly" as needing to be in excess of 80%. If by "mostly" one means "more than any other haplogroup", then all that is required is a plurality. If, on the other hand, by "mostly" one means a majority, then 51% would be all that is required.
    Well, then the population of Germany is mostly female.

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