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    botoole60611
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  • botoole60611
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    Originally posted by rucksack View Post
    I'm curious how you are so certain that they are not in your exact Haplogroup?

    Could it be something as simple as the "match" has not taken a deep Clade R and therefore don't "know" their U152 +/- status?
    I've checked out two FTDNA projects (of which I'm in one) where the GD's with rspect to my markers range from 6 thru 19. The participants in these projects appear to be closely related to each other and are R1b1b2, R1b1b2a and R1b1b2a1b5. I figure if they all end up with the deep clade tests they will all show up R1b1b2a1b5, which is not my haplogroup.

    The closest GD's I've found through ysearch in my haplogroup are 19 and higher.

    FTDNA has aleady told me that in the R's a person could have a close GD and not be in the same haplogroup. For me that's frustrating, but this DNA stuff is still new to me and I've learned quite a bit about haplogroups and markers.

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  • rucksack
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  • rucksack
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    Originally posted by botoole60611 View Post
    I've got 5 exact 25 marker matches with different surnames, but since they are not withing my exact Haplogroup (R1b1b2a1b4) the matching means exactly nothing.

    Heck, I've got 67 matches with a genetic distance of 3, 4, 6 and 7, and their Haplogroup is not the same, so we're not related either.

    Unfortunately FTDNA is not real good about explaining any of this. And it took a lot of stupid questions to finally figure it out. I'm dense on this stuff.

    Then again, their 'My Matches' in the haplotree area is useless becaue it only lists 12 marker matches and the Ancestral Origins gives matches (12, 25, 37, 67 - depending on your preferences), but no Haplogroups.
    I'm curious how you are so certain that they are not in your exact Haplogroup?

    Could it be something as simple as the "match" has not taken a deep Clade R and therefore don't "know" their U152 +/- status?

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  • justusla
    FTDNA Customer

  • justusla
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    Bart,

    the thing that kills me about listing "matches" in the Haplogroup section are the majority "Origin Unknowns". The R1b1b2a1b5 to the left of each entry seems to be a link, but it doesn't go anywhere when clicked. Is it supposed to?

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  • botoole60611
    Registered User

  • botoole60611
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    I've got 5 exact 25 marker matches with different surnames, but since they are not withing my exact Haplogroup (R1b1b2a1b4) the matching means exactly nothing.

    Heck, I've got 67 matches with a genetic distance of 3, 4, 6 and 7, and their Haplogroup is not the same, so we're not related either.

    Unfortunately FTDNA is not real good about explaining any of this. And it took a lot of stupid questions to finally figure it out. I'm dense on this stuff.

    Then again, their 'My Matches' in the haplotree area is useless becaue it only lists 12 marker matches and the Ancestral Origins gives matches (12, 25, 37, 67 - depending on your preferences), but no Haplogroups.

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  • George Jamieson
    FTDNA Customer

  • George Jamieson
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    Surnames not in common usage

    Your MRCA may have been around before surnames were in common usage. One line started using your surname and the other line chose to use your close matches surname.

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  • PDHOTLEN
    FTDNA Customer

  • PDHOTLEN
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    There were several name changes and variations when I put my family tree together, with no help from any relatives. There was one name, "Vial" that I suspect was originally Weil or etc., with the W pronounced like V in German. That came from Delaware in the early 1800's.

    R1a1 & U5b2

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  • rivergirl
    FTDNA Customer

  • rivergirl
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    Originally posted by JerryNicholson View Post
    The surname is Doty and I can't find that one on ySearch. There are a bunch of Dotys sprinkled around in my matches. Actually, there is a Dalton at exactly 25 as well, but that's the only one of them I get a hit on.
    There is a Doty-Doughty DNA Project with 123 members, with a number of Dotys.
    http://www.familytreedna.com/public/...ction=yresults

    Clan Dalton have a project at FTDNA as well.

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  • JerryNicholson
    Registered User

  • JerryNicholson
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    Originally posted by spruithean View Post
    Many people after immigrating to the old country change their surname.

    Names like McGowan can be changed to Smith. Or MacNicol to Nicholson or Nicholson to Nichols or something like that.

    What is this 25/25 matches surname?

    What are the Ysearch ID's?
    The surname is Doty and I can't find that one on ySearch. There are a bunch of Dotys sprinkled around in my matches. Actually, there is a Dalton at exactly 25 as well, but that's the only one of them I get a hit on.

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  • girlperson1
    FTDNA Customer

  • girlperson1
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    Possibly an adoption.

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  • Stevo
    R1b-FGC36981

  • Stevo
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    All of the above is true, but I had an exact 25-marker match with a man born in Worcester, England, whose surname is not the same as mine. It took some time (I had to find out who he was first, because the match came from my "Ancestral Origins" page), but I finally got around to upgrading him to 67 markers.

    To make a long story short, we now have a 65/67 match, which means we probably shared the same y-dna ancestor sometime within the last 350 years or so.

    Moral of the story: it's worth following up on, surname or no surname.

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  • Daniel72
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  • Daniel72
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    On the other hand....
    Why shoulnt it be the same with J?

    There is as much J in the world as there is R1b.
    Just more R1b have made a DNA test.

    Hmmm

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  • bob_chasm
    Registered User

  • bob_chasm
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    Originally posted by JerryNicholson View Post
    I've read the helpful information on the FTDNA website, but I was wondering if somebody could explain the ramifications of an exact 25 marker match but with a different surname in plain layman's terms.

    Convergence is a real possibility, especially in R1b. There are a lot of R1b Europeans in the database. However, if you had a 25/25 match in haplogroup J, it would be a different matter. For example, I have only one 12/12 match and no 25 marker matches.

    regards,

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  • spruithean
    FTDNA Customer

  • spruithean
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    Many people after immigrating to the old country change their surname.

    Names like McGowan can be changed to Smith. Or MacNicol to Nicholson or Nicholson to Nichols or something like that.

    What is this 25/25 matches surname?

    What are the Ysearch ID's?

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  • rucksack
    Registered User

  • rucksack
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    The answer will also depend on your origins.

    Scandinavian names are most often never matched up even in good paper trail connections, except when you get to the most distant known individual.

    37 markers is a minimum for this type of search, and 67 is usually a must unless you have tight matches with someone the is already a known relative.

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  • Daniel72
    Registered User

  • Daniel72
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    Suggestions:

    - misbegotten
    - adultery
    - migrated to the USA and changed name.

    The last thing I stumbled over several times now.

    I read about a guy from Germany, whos surname was "Singer". He changed it into "Merrit" right after he migrated to the USA. Just for the fun.

    Also, I read that a lot of Americans with German surnames changed them into "English" ones during WW2, to cut off all connections to this enemy country....

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