No single match in database !

[Daniel72]

(presuming 1 gen is 35 yrs. on average)

Hello no!

In Germany, its currently 26.5 yrs and it had been at 24 yrs by begin of the 20th century.

At my grandmothers time, it was said, there is something wrong with men who are not merried by 30 or women who are not merried by 22 (and remember they did not have the pill back then and condoms had been expensive. Thats why they all had 7-12 kids

In the middle ages girls got merried by the age of 16 and only 10% reached the 60.

Teutonic tribes men, 2000 years ago, had been dubbed "Adult" in the age of 15 and usualy died between 30 and 40. So they need to breed the next generation somewhere 16-20 to be still alive by the time their children are rated "Adults"

[Jim Honeychuck]

Since all my matches are 10/12 or less than that..... The MRCA (presuming 1 gen is 35 yrs. on average) comes to...

31*35 = 1085 yrs. (50% probability)
>100*35 = >3500 yrs. (90% probability)
again >3500 yrs. (95% probability)

The first estimation with 50% probability is understandable at around 1085 yrs. BUT... the matches, half of them are Romany Gypsies from US/Europe and the others are Pakistanis/Bangladeshis.

My family has been in South of India (Malabar, Kerala) for around 2000 yrs. (as family history claims) and Christians since then (1st cent. AD Nazarene Jewish converts under the East Syrian (Assyrian/COE) Church). So the probability that I and the Romany Gypsies or people in the extreme North of the Indian sub-continent had a MRCA ~1085 yrs ago is out of logic keeping in mind all the above family history and comparative locations of the matches. Also a 50% probability could go either way if Im not wrong.

Coming to the 3500 yrs. estimation I have no clue..... So how far are the 10/12 matches in my case conclusive and logical ? I believe genealogical study is a wholistic picture of family and community traditions, historical and genetic data.

I agree, forget about Gypsies.

You might get something out of this paper: Polarity and Temporality of High-Resolution Y-Chromosome Distributions in India Identify Both Indigenous and Exogenous Expansions and Reveal Minor Genetic Influence of Central Asian Pastoralists

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1380230

The actual haplotypes from the paper were once available, but I can't find them now.

Regards,
Jim