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Ok here is what i think may have happened many thousands of years ago regarding the spread of the descendants of super haplogroup IJK. Around 40,000 years ago haplogroup IJK seperated into two distinct new haplogroups which were japplogroups IJ and K. Both originated in southwest Asia but most of the K people went up into central Asia where new mutations took place within the haplogroup. Now in cnetral Asia haplogroups L, M, NOP. S and T originated and ended up going there own seperate ways.
NOP stayed in Asia for a while and then split into haplogroup NO and P. Then with new mutations haplogroup N ended up spreading into northeastern Europe, Siberia and some parts of East Asia. This happened initially around 15,000 years BP. The men ho became haplogroup O spread mainly into East Asia around this same time. Haplogroup P had already originated around 30,000 years BP in Asia and then split into haplogroup R in Q still in Asia. R went west mainly towards Europe while Q went east up into SIberia and on into the Americas around 15,000 years BP. Haplogroup R1 based on the latest dating methods of T. Karefet et al. is estimated to be around 18,500 BP. This still gives some time I think for a late Mesolithic appearance of haplogroup R1 and it's descendants R1a and R1b in Europe but as many think on here and I think to now it may ahve come much later to Europe during the Neolithic or later with Indo-European speakers.
Now while these haplogroups were up in parts of Asia their ''cousins'' who were in haplogroup IJ had stayed back in the Near East. These men were present in the old Paleolithic and Mesolithic cultures of the Near East and then on into Europe as well. The IJ men who went up into Europe during the Paleolithic and Mesolithic became haplogroup I eventually. There may have even been some haplogroup J men who made it to Europe prior to the Neolithic but I am unsure about this on the whole. The man who ahd the haplogroup I mutation probably lived around 25,000 to 30,000 years BP somewhere in Europe. The original haplogroup J man originated around 30,000 years BP in the Middle East most likely. Most stayed back int eh Middle East and eventually evolved into haplogroup J1 and J2. J2 probably originated around 15,000 years BP in the Near East and spread mainly during the Neolithic period but some could have possibly spread earlier into Europe. J1 originated probably around 10,000 years BP further to the south of J2 and spread out a bit later as well.
So it seems that one of the most likely haplogroup candidates for the original Cro-Magnon type of people who lived in the Near East and Europe was haplogroup IJ. This haplogroup and it's descendant haplogroup I and J were pre-Indoo-European speakers of languages that were wiped out later on mainly by Indo-European and Semitic speakers in their respective regions. The people who descend from haplogroup K represent another ancient Asian type of population that also ended up spreading west towards Europe later on.
NOP stayed in Asia for a while and then split into haplogroup NO and P. Then with new mutations haplogroup N ended up spreading into northeastern Europe, Siberia and some parts of East Asia. This happened initially around 15,000 years BP. The men ho became haplogroup O spread mainly into East Asia around this same time. Haplogroup P had already originated around 30,000 years BP in Asia and then split into haplogroup R in Q still in Asia. R went west mainly towards Europe while Q went east up into SIberia and on into the Americas around 15,000 years BP. Haplogroup R1 based on the latest dating methods of T. Karefet et al. is estimated to be around 18,500 BP. This still gives some time I think for a late Mesolithic appearance of haplogroup R1 and it's descendants R1a and R1b in Europe but as many think on here and I think to now it may ahve come much later to Europe during the Neolithic or later with Indo-European speakers.
Now while these haplogroups were up in parts of Asia their ''cousins'' who were in haplogroup IJ had stayed back in the Near East. These men were present in the old Paleolithic and Mesolithic cultures of the Near East and then on into Europe as well. The IJ men who went up into Europe during the Paleolithic and Mesolithic became haplogroup I eventually. There may have even been some haplogroup J men who made it to Europe prior to the Neolithic but I am unsure about this on the whole. The man who ahd the haplogroup I mutation probably lived around 25,000 to 30,000 years BP somewhere in Europe. The original haplogroup J man originated around 30,000 years BP in the Middle East most likely. Most stayed back int eh Middle East and eventually evolved into haplogroup J1 and J2. J2 probably originated around 15,000 years BP in the Near East and spread mainly during the Neolithic period but some could have possibly spread earlier into Europe. J1 originated probably around 10,000 years BP further to the south of J2 and spread out a bit later as well.
So it seems that one of the most likely haplogroup candidates for the original Cro-Magnon type of people who lived in the Near East and Europe was haplogroup IJ. This haplogroup and it's descendant haplogroup I and J were pre-Indoo-European speakers of languages that were wiped out later on mainly by Indo-European and Semitic speakers in their respective regions. The people who descend from haplogroup K represent another ancient Asian type of population that also ended up spreading west towards Europe later on.
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