no matches for J2b

[nichada]

My bother was tested for our paternal line and is a J2b. There are no matches and no matches for the ancestral origins. ??? My paternal grandfather emmigrated to the USA from Abertillary, Wales. Any ideas as to why we have no matches at all? What does that mean?
Thanks for any help.
U5a1 for me and J2b for my bother

[Jim Honeychuck]

My bother was tested for our paternal line and is a J2b. There are no matches and no matches for the ancestral origins. ??? My paternal grandfather emmigrated to the USA from Abertillary, Wales. Any ideas as to why we have no matches at all? What does that mean?
Thanks for any help.
U5a1 for me and J2b for my bother

Maybe your matches are in the further subdivisions. Recommend he join the FTDNA Y-DNA J Project.

Regards,
Jim
J1

[nichada]

still no matches

We just got the results of further testing and still no matches! My brother is now a J2b2. Does anyone know anything about the J2b2 haplogroup? Where is it from?

[darroll]

We just got the results of further testing and still no matches! My brother is now a J2b2. Does anyone know anything about the J2b2 haplogroup? Where is it from?

I would try National Geographic's web site.

[JManfull]

Hi.. Well at least you have something in common with someone!

I am also a J2b2 with ancestry in the UK. Needless to say it's not a very common history. National Geographic's website doesn't delve as deep as M102 and M241 yet.

The family tree dna project has some good info http://www.familytreedna.com/public/m102/default.aspx

I would guess that the ancestors of people like you and me probably made their way from Anatola into southern Europe. Your ancestors' move to Wales, and mine to England, were probably fairly recent. (like within the last 500 years).

That is total speculation.

Let me know what you find out.

[cacio]

I think there's a paper (I'd have to look which one) that argues that J2b moved into the Balkans quite early (eg in neolithic times) and then from there moved north into Europe, also in relatively ancient times. In this, it differs from its more frequent cousin J2a. J2a is very common in the Mediterranean, especially places like Southern Italy, but much less so as you move north. In contrast, I think J2b is more common than J2a in continental Europe, and there's actually little J2b in southern Italy.

This suggest that J2b is ancient in Europe, and may have moved directly from the Balkans to Europe, without going through S Europe. Its spread and age mirror that of E-V13 (a European subhaplogroup of former E3b). Of course, it's probably impossible to say when it reached the UK. I know that regarding E-V13, some people on this forum have talked also about possible movements in Roman times (eg soldiers etc.), though, again, nobody can really say.

The article is called:
Tracing past human male movements in northern/eastern Africa and western
Eurasia: new clues from Y-chromosomal haplogroups E-M78 and J-M12
by Cruciani, La Fratta et al.

cacio

[Jim Honeychuck]

We just got the results of further testing and still no matches! My brother is now a J2b2. Does anyone know anything about the J2b2 haplogroup? Where is it from?

pp. 206-7 of Oppenheimer's The Origins of the British (title may differ in the US) says "Multiple J clusters show founding episodes dating to the Neolithic period in southern Britain."

Oppenheimer also notes a curious hot spot of E3b and J2 around Ormes Head in north Wales. There was a huge copper mine there in the Bronze Age, so it probably got visitors from the Mediterranean.

Although Abertillery is in south Wales, many people from north Wales migrated here in the 1800s.

Oppenheimer's work is sometimes trashed on these forums. However, you can consult a library copy and follow his footnotes to judge for yourself.

Regards,

Jim
in south Wales; not Welsh

[lgmayka]

We just got the results of further testing and still no matches! My brother is now a J2b2.

Have you uploaded the results into a Ysearch entry, so we can see the marker values?