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  • DYS Marker Matches - Surname No Match

    Presently none of my 12 marker yDNA matches (GD=0 & 1) have surnames that match (or are close to) mine. Based on FTDNA's notes on DYS matches, this would mean that none of these people are recently related to me, that is within the last 1000 years (40 generations).

    With exact marker matches, it would seem a true relationship exists, but the connection point is far in the past. Considering this would there be any benefit to be gained in contacting any of these people?

    If so, what could be gained?

  • #2
    it depends...

    our experience is about the same. we have ony one of 7 matches with the same surname. that one doesn't reply to emails. the rest...well, mostly they don't reply, either, but one did, and it's so distant, there's no point. that one is no longer on the matches list, now that FTdna did some house cleaning last weekend. they finished my husband's deepclade, then cleaned house and removed at least 10 "matches".
    also, 12 marker matches really aren't much help in connecting with relatives. if you look at your surname test results board, most of the people on it match pretty well with the first 12 markers, but as you go on to more markers, the fine tuning begins and you can really see who is and isn't related. our Moore board is quite large, and there are around 37 seperate groups who aren't related closely to one another, and at least 50 more individuals who aren't related closely to anyone on the board.
    anyway, I'd wait for same name matches, personally, until you find someone who's a direct match to you at 24 or more markers (37 markers is where it really starts to show who's related and who isn't). then the surname won't matter, they'll be a cousin no matter what.
    if you have only had 12 markers tested, do concider getting an upgrade.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by nekocat View Post
      our experience is about the same. we have ony one of 7 matches with the same surname. that one doesn't reply to emails.....
      How disappointing. It makes one wonder why they went through the expense if they are unwilling to communicate with a possible connection...
      ...if you have only had 12 markers tested, do concider getting an upgrade.
      I have more as noted in my signature block...

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      • #4
        oops!

        I'm still learning to read (and list) those signatures...sometimes I just forget to read them at all. sigh.

        it is a pity they don't reply. Several things occur to me. they could have a spamblocker and be unaware that it's blocking good email, they may have lost interest, or, worst scenario, they could be in hospital or dead.

        having never had a close match other than this one, I wonder how he's related and what his marker test looks like (doesn't seem to be at the dna test results page.

        think I'll go ask the ladies who keep that site if they know what I can do to get in contact with him, and why his test results aren't at the test results page.

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        • #5
          matches

          I haven't really tried sending emails to my matches.... I've been able to find more information on their surname projects page. I only have... so far 1 same surname match. We aren't even first cousins and its a 37/37 match.

          Interestingly I match quite a few Northern Irish people with names like McBride, and Lucas (but those are mainly on 25 markers I barely have any 37 marker matches). Which makes me wonder about my families origin... (Perhaps my family is more of the Scots-Irish type) I do have a match on SMGF, with a similar surname although its missing the prefix.... Although the sad thing with SMGF is you can't contact the match...... But I did manage to trace their family through the pedigree tool back to Ireland

          wighty44,

          Does Belarus have a DNA project? If so have you joined it? How common is your surname?

          Hopefully everybody gets a response from the people they have tried to contact. I wonder if I should try emailing some matches
          spruithean
          FTDNA Customer
          Last edited by spruithean; 7 February 2009, 01:21 PM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by spruithean View Post
            wighty44, Does Belarus have a DNA project? If so have you joined it? How common is your surname?
            Not that I'm aware of, but there is a Polish project that I joined. Presently they have me in an "unassigned" group.

            I don't believe its common. Back in 1994, when phone directories were on CDs, I found only 96 people in the US with my surname. So I guess I have two strikes against me - an uncommon surname, and a y-haplogroup (R1a1) that currently is not that well populated with DNA test data.

            I guess someone has to be among the first to be tested...

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            • #7
              I recently saw your surname in the Polish project. The Unassigned R1a1 67??

              Perhaps Haplogroup R1a1 is in the same situation Haplogroup I1 is?

              Hopefully more people get tested with a similar or same surname to yours... would be great to get a match.

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              • #8
                Actually, I would hope to get a "hit" from the Polish project as there is a story in our family that when my grandfather left Grodno in early 1913, he left behind 2 brothers and a sister. It would be tremendous to find a connection to any of them.

                I do not have names for them, but I do have the names of my grandfather's parents from his Church marriage record in Buffalo, NY. It also listed their location - Rodsewicz, Poland; which I believe is more correctly Rodziewicze, Belorussia.

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                • #9
                  unfortunately...

                  our 37marker 2d isn't on the surname test results page.
                  due to the way this computer's set up, I wasn't able to email the ladies that run the Moore test results board (can't see their eddress, don't have pop servers set up on this computer). I think I've already spoke to them about it, anyway. so I posted a request to contact on the Moore surname list at Rootsweb, not holding my breath, though. if his markers were at ysearch or on the test results board it wouldn't bug me as much as it does, but he just can't be found anywhere.
                  no, a 37/37 match does not mean you'll be first cousins-or even 4th, but you'll be close enough.
                  my husband is down to 7 matches right now, one 12/12 match, two 23/25 matches, one 35/37 match (one of which is also one of the 23/25 matches), and three 33/37 matches, the last three aren't even Moores-nor is the first one, or one of the 23/25 matches. all but one of the non-Moore names are Scots. the one that's European is the 12/12, and he drops out of the listing after that. none of them are on the Moore dna test results page (except for Thomas B. Moore, of course). sure hope there's a major change with the 67 marker update.
                  I carefully examined the individuals at smallstuff/Moore, and the closest match I could discover was 6 distant at 37 markers. that's in group 2, the individual in that group with the least mutations. so we're related to their distant ancestor....somehow and somewhen....I assume they have the oldest genes of the group, seeing that they have so few mutations...
                  one week to go, fingers crossed and all that...

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by nekocat View Post
                    our 37marker 2d isn't on the surname test results page.
                    due to the way this computer's set up, I wasn't able to email the ladies that run the Moore test results board (can't see their eddress, don't have pop servers set up on this computer). I think I've already spoke to them about it, anyway. so I posted a request to contact on the Moore surname list at Rootsweb, not holding my breath, though. if his markers were at ysearch or on the test results board it wouldn't bug me as much as it does, but he just can't be found anywhere.
                    no, a 37/37 match does not mean you'll be first cousins-or even 4th, but you'll be close enough.
                    my husband is down to 7 matches right now, one 12/12 match, two 23/25 matches, one 35/37 match (one of which is also one of the 23/25 matches), and three 33/37 matches, the last three aren't even Moores-nor is the first one, or one of the 23/25 matches. all but one of the non-Moore names are Scots. the one that's European is the 12/12, and he drops out of the listing after that. none of them are on the Moore dna test results page (except for Thomas B. Moore, of course). sure hope there's a major change with the 67 marker update.
                    I carefully examined the individuals at smallstuff/Moore, and the closest match I could discover was 6 distant at 37 markers. that's in group 2, the individual in that group with the least mutations. so we're related to their distant ancestor....somehow and somewhen....I assume they have the oldest genes of the group, seeing that they have so few mutations...
                    one week to go, fingers crossed and all that...
                    I am aware that we aren't first cousins.

                    I have noticed with my McBride and Danish matches most of the mismatches on 37 markers are mainly on fast mutating markers... which is interesting.

                    I wonder why I have so few 37 marker matches.... I just wonder what my 67 marker matches will look like....

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by spruithean View Post
                      I am aware that we aren't first cousins.

                      I have noticed with my McBride and Danish matches most of the mismatches on 37 markers are mainly on fast mutating markers... which is interesting.

                      I wonder why I have so few 37 marker matches.... I just wonder what my 67 marker matches will look like....
                      fast mutating markers seem to be the mainstay for mismatches. I don't often see mention of unusual mutations, and don't know the cause for them.

                      with 3 37 marker matches, none of them same-name (but all Scots) I assume there are few Scots Moores that are tested-as far as I have seen, my husband's more closely linked to Scots than to Irish Moores.

                      I am very curious to find out what the 67 markers will show, and what changes will occur with them. I hope they are a little early.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by nekocat View Post
                        fast mutating markers seem to be the mainstay for mismatches. I don't often see mention of unusual mutations, and don't know the cause for them.

                        with 3 37 marker matches, none of them same-name (but all Scots) I assume there are few Scots Moores that are tested-as far as I have seen, my husband's more closely linked to Scots than to Irish Moores.

                        I am very curious to find out what the 67 markers will show, and what changes will occur with them. I hope they are a little early.
                        Hopefully your final panel comes in early. The name "Moore" is pretty widespread isn't it? Does his family have any oral history or something along those lines of Irish or Scottish origin? I think I've seen the name Moore written in Scottish records as "Muir". I'm sure the ElectricScotland website would have something on Moore/Muir.

                        I would think the reason I have matches with McBrides and other Scots/Irish names is because of the broken men becoming members of a clan.... although I will never know if I my family started off as broken men and then joined another clan or the other way around for my McBride (and other Scots/Irish names) matches.

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                        • #13
                          I hope so, too.

                          when we got a test failed notice, I got a bit down. his line is elusive.
                          no, there's no story that directs us to a homeland, but a family saying is that they aren't related to the other Moores. whether they meant the other Moores in Guernsey Co. Ohio, or something else, we don't know.
                          his matches are a Panasik (12/12), a Moore (both 23/37 and 35/37, same person) a Godfrey (25/67), 2 different Montgomery's (33/37 and 33/67) and a KirkPatrick 33/67). those could improve when the upgrade comes through. the other thing that points us towards Scotland is a link on one of these boards to an R1b geographic comparison of DYS markers. I don't remember which board it's on. anyway, his markers ran closest to the Scottish markers. it's only a hypothesis, but based on available data.

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                          • #14
                            I've just been notified of a new match.... with an Irish surname of Slattery. Which is apparently in Irish "O Slatraigh" which means "descendant of the strong, tall, bold one".

                            Its a 23/25 match. I wonder if this person will take a Y37 test.

                            I am noticing more and more Irish matches with names like McBride, Phelan/Lucas, Slattery,etc ... I am beginning to wonder what my ancestor meant by "Scotland" on the census . (Although I do know its not uncommon for people of Scots descent to have more Irish matches or vice versa)

                            Perhaps a Galloglaich passed the Haplotype around??????

                            nekocat,

                            The name Kirkpatrick and Montgomery sound very Scottish. Not so sure about Godfrey.... maybe Irish, English or Scottish?

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