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  • #61
    Originally posted by tomcat View Post
    Don't know why Tribes results for the same population change from update to update but, obviously, it has to be in the computation as your alleles don't change and allele incidence in populations doesn't change. I imagine it has something to do with the Generic Human baseline (1.0) that might change as new populations are added, and especially when the ethnicity of populations added is quite different from the ethnicities already present in the population database.
    My alleles are the same, but it seems to me that DNA tribes changes their algorithms every (or almost every) time, and that varies my results each time, and that drives me up a wall because I'm not matching what I should, and I'm matching what I shouldn't.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by katiecarol View Post
      I posted mine and I did get strong british results.
      Glasgow Scotland (87)321.23
      Dundee Scotland(85) 291.82
      Dundee Scotland(85) 208.05
      Strathclyde Scotland (74) 197.77

      Thank you. Now I'm envious/jealous. I should have those scores too.

      edit: here are my measley Scotland scores.

      Dundee, Scotland (0.22) 38.07
      Glasgow, Scotland (0.14) 18.23
      Strathclyde (0.14) 15.48
      Dundee (again) (0.14) 9.92


      Puerto Rican is (0.52) 209.00
      Last edited by rainbow; 12 February 2009, 03:38 PM.

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      • #63
        The UK was a "melting pot"

        Originally posted by rainbow View Post
        Thank you. Now I'm envious/jealous. I should have those scores too.

        edit: here are my measley Scotland scores.

        Dundee, Scotland (0.22) 38.07
        Glasgow, Scotland (0.14) 18.23
        Strathclyde (0.14) 15.48
        Dundee (again) (0.14) 9.92


        Puerto Rican is (0.52) 209.00
        No need to read a "less than" into relative scores. Read about Northern Spain. The history out of Northern Spain into the rest of the world is nothing short of remarkable. Another "melting pot" that migrated into the United Kingdom's melting pot. Surprises a plenty no doubt, but not "less than" or "more than." History's vast fabric makes the story of even the Saxons a rich woolen weave. So much also the story of Northern Spain reaching out into the Nederlands, Portugal, North Africa, and across the pond from New Mexico to the Falklands.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by rainbow View Post
          Thank you. Now I'm envious/jealous. I should have those scores too.

          edit: here are my measley Scotland scores.

          Dundee, Scotland (0.22) 38.07
          Glasgow, Scotland (0.14) 18.23
          Strathclyde (0.14) 15.48
          Dundee (again) (0.14) 9.92


          Puerto Rican is (0.52) 209.00
          The twenty or so print test results I've read for puerto ricans usually fall into 80% EUR 10-12% NA and 3-9% SSA ,I'm not suprised they matched you to Puerto ricans given your very high 17% NA - despite your phenotype.

          It has to be that influence giving you those results. Another woman with far less NA admixture than you got Argentina as her top score because of NA influence.I think without the NA influence you would get Scots scores reflective of your phenotype.
          Last edited by katiecarol; 12 February 2009, 05:11 PM.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by katiecarol View Post
            The twenty or so print test results I've read for puerto ricans usually fall into 80% EUR 10-12% NA and 3-9% SSA ,I'm not suprised they matched you to Puerto ricans given your very high 17% NA - despite your phenotype.

            It has to be that influence giving you those results. Another woman with far less NA admixture than you got Argentina as her top score because of NA influence.I think without the NA influence you would get Scots scores reflective of your phenotype.
            Thank you. Where did you see the twenty or so print test results? Is it on that kercher log?

            I expected my Scottish scores to be my highest, but it isn't. When I was a kid my mom made me wear a kilt (family tartan) to school.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by rainbow View Post
              Thank you. Where did you see the twenty or so print test results? Is it on that kercher log?

              I expected my Scottish scores to be my highest, but it isn't. When I was a kid my mom made me wear a kilt (family tartan) to school.
              Yes on the kerchner log,four journal articles and one newspaper article.

              It can be hard to reconcile the results with your indentity,thats why I take them with a good grain of salt now as people on here have said.Maybe these fancy new SNPs will give you a nice good tie to scotland which better fits your history.

              I did'nt expect to get many scots/british scores because most of my ancestors were from Dover,Kent - where people were constantly entering and leaving Britain - alot of them though were historians and spent their lives recording british oral and local history so maybe they had been there prior to the 16th century.
              Last edited by katiecarol; 13 February 2009, 08:28 PM.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by katiecarol View Post
                Yes on the kerchner log,four journal articles and one newspaper article.

                It can be hard to reconcile the results with your indentity,thats why I take them with a good grain of salt now as people on here have said.Maybe these fancy new SNPs will give you a nice good tie to scotland which better fits your history.

                I did'nt expect to get many scots/british scores because most of my ancestors were from Dover,Kent - where people were constantly entering and leaving Britain - alot of them though were historians and spent their lives recording british oral and local history so maybe they had been there prior to the 16th century.
                My Tribes Europa scores are better in the latest update. My Celtic score moved up to fourth place.

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                • #68
                  My latest Extended report

                  I longer match Javanese & Maori & Kathmandu, Nepal & Mozambique.
                  But I still have some matches to Pakistan (& Pakistani), & India (but no longer to Oriya Brahmin), & I see I now have a few matches to European-Aboriginal from Australia, just like Jim Honeychuck.

                  And I used to match Uyghur (Uyghur II), but now I don't. Instead I have a match to Uzbek this time around. Both ethnic groups are from western China.

                  edit: I wonder if I can change my username from 'rainbow' to 'kaleidoscope'.
                  Last edited by rainbow; 16 February 2009, 09:53 AM.

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                  • #69
                    RE Central Asia...

                    Hi Rainbow,

                    Back a few months ago and before then, my FTDNA Recent Ancestral Origins section showed me having distant relatives in Altai, Uigurland, Uzbeckistan, India & Ceylon. Now that page is more parsimonious and only shows European distant relatives. But it has/had to do with my R1a1.

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                    • #70
                      As issues of phenotype versus Tribes results often appear in threads such as this, I thought those posters would be interested in:

                      http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0214162756.htm

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by PDHOTLEN View Post
                        Hi Rainbow,

                        Back a few months ago and before then, my FTDNA Recent Ancestral Origins section showed me having distant relatives in Altai, Uigurland, Uzbeckistan, India & Ceylon. Now that page is more parsimonious and only shows European distant relatives. But it has/had to do with my R1a1.
                        With me it's autosomal. Matches to Bashkir & Uzbek & Turkey have me wondering again if my Native American markers are actually because of Central Asian ancestry carried by European immigrants into America instead of from actual real Native Americans. But I also have low matches to "Native American (mixed)" in the USA (Minnesota?).
                        I wonder if actual real Native Americans get autosomal matches to Bashkir & Turkey & Uzbek.

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                        • #72
                          RE Central Asia...

                          Those Central Asian strains (various Turks) are supposedly a mixture of Caucasian (R1a1?) and Mongol-types. They blended with the various Mongol/Turk expansions. At least that is what I picked up somewhere along the way.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by PDHOTLEN View Post
                            Those Central Asian strains (various Turks) are supposedly a mixture of Caucasian (R1a1?) and Mongol-types. They blended with the various Mongol/Turk expansions. At least that is what I picked up somewhere along the way.

                            My mom always thought I was part Mongolian on my fathers side, because of my temper (like his temper. I know that is a stereotype), and my eye shape. My mom has brown eyes, but they are wide/round. Mine were blue, but now greenish-blue-gray-hazel, and are sort of almond shaped, similar to Barbra Eden's eyes (tv show "I Dream of Jeanie". And I have the same birthdate as the character Jeanie).

                            Off topic: My current top DNA Tribes match is Syria.
                            Barbra Eden married a Syrian-American.
                            A famous American of Syrian descent was astronaut Christa McAuliffe (Challenger).
                            http://74.125.113.132/search?q=cache...lnk&cd=6&gl=us


                            Maybe my Aegean (Greek?)world match comes from my mom (plate smashing).
                            Last edited by rainbow; 18 February 2009, 09:09 PM.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by rainbow View Post
                              Maybe my Aegean (Greek?)world match comes from my mom (plate smashing).
                              Now my ex would stoutly (bad choice of words), uhh, would expressively and adamantly insist that you were of Pennsylvania Dutch extraction and therefore the Mongol in you was from Hungary. She would back it up with a pic of my blonde, blue eyed son who but for those characteristics looked like a Buddha and I would support it with her plate throwing. You don't get back at people by putting blue green dye in their scrambled eggs do you now? That is definitely Austrian.

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by Deirwha View Post
                                Now my ex would stoutly (bad choice of words), uhh, would expressively and adamantly insist that you were of Pennsylvania Dutch extraction and therefore the Mongol in you was from Hungary. She would back it up with a pic of my blonde, blue eyed son who but for those characteristics looked like a Buddha and I would support it with her plate throwing. You don't get back at people by putting blue green dye in their scrambled eggs do you now? That is definitely Austrian.
                                I don't know where mom's plate-throwing comes from. But maybe it's Aegean, except she isn't celebrating when she does that. She hasn't done that it in a long while (paper plates & plastic & melanine are great!)

                                The German that I have that is related to Pennsylvania Dutch (New Jersey German) is on my fathers side (my fathers mothers mothers side). A while back I found a line on rootsweb freepages that I thought was mine, had the same name as my great grandmother, but it turns out not to be. There are several people with the same name as my great grandmother, but the one living on a certain road is listed in the census and I know the names of her parents now. It's still a German line, but different names (Trimmer, Hummer, Kuhl/Cool, etc).

                                The first time I made scrambled eggs I added grape juice, because I love grape juice, and the eggs came out purple. I was 12.
                                Last edited by rainbow; 19 February 2009, 06:20 PM.

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