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  • Originally posted by Noaide View Post
    There is no point phasing any of the CODIS markers as these all are independent of each other, you need markers to be in linkage to have any purpose.
    Ah. Okay. Letting go of the sudden false hope. Who knows, maybe someday it can be done with CODIS, or with junk dna. Thanks Noaide & Tomcat.

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    • Originally posted by Noaide View Post
      There is no point phasing any of the CODIS markers as these all are independent of each other, you need markers to be in linkage to have any purpose.
      Don't see this. Whether dealing with blocks or bits the strategy is the same. Albeit somewhat more difficult with fewer bits and such cosmopolitan bits such as the CODIS markers.

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      • Originally posted by tomcat View Post
        Don't see this. Whether dealing with blocks or bits the strategy is the same. Albeit somewhat more difficult with fewer bits and such cosmopolitan bits such as the CODIS markers.
        The whole idea about phasing is to resolve genotype to haplotype for linked markers, and as far as my mind is able to there is no point phasing totally independent single markers if there is no linkage between the markers, the phasing would be no better than trowing dices.

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        • Originally posted by tomcat View Post
          No. There are computer programs that phase or separate a bi-allelic profile into two most likely to represent one's parents.
          Sure, it works with parents, but then again you dont really need to resolve these with phasing program, you can do it in a minute or two yourself if you have one of your parents data.

          Again how usefull will this "haplotype" you have phased be when all the 21 single markers are independent? There is no way you will be able to find an exact match with some unrelated individual, or as in Omnipop 1 to a billion, and if you got this "haplotype" match I am quite sure you would likely not find this individual to be identical by descent but by state.

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          • What is the link to the phasing program? .

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            • Sometime ago I googled Puerto Ricans and Springfield and found photos of people that live there. Most look mostly European but have that certain something in their look that is like mine, and I could easily blend in with them. And tonight I caught a little of the tv series "We Will Remain" and it talked about King Philip's War (I don't remember ever hearing about him or that war before). At the end of the war the surviving Indians that were captured were sold into slavery and sent to the West Indies and Europe (that part I heard about sometime after getting my admixture results). Maybe the Puerto Ricans of Springfield, Massachussets are descendants of the Indians that were originally from Massachussets or New England? Maybe my match to the P.R. of Mass. is an indirect match to Algonquian?

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              • Originally posted by rainbow View Post
                Sometime ago I googled Puerto Ricans and Springfield and found photos of people that live there. Most look mostly European but have that certain something in their look that is like mine, and I could easily blend in with them. And tonight I caught a little of the tv series "We Will Remain" and it talked about King Philip's War (I don't remember ever hearing about him or that war before). At the end of the war the surviving Indians that were captured were sold into slavery and sent to the West Indies and Europe (that part I heard about sometime after getting my admixture results). Maybe the Puerto Ricans of Springfield, Massachussets are descendants of the Indians that were originally from Massachussets or New England? Maybe my match to the P.R. of Mass. is an indirect match to Algonquian?
                Weren't there Indians already in Puerto Rico when the Spaniards arrived?

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                • Originally posted by rainbow View Post
                  Would the phasing program be able to tell me if my father is really half Slavic and half Northwest European, or half Slavic and some Amerindian and some NW European, or NW European and Amerindian? My 17% Amerindian would displace either the NW European or the Slavic. If it displaces the Slavic then my real paternal grandfather was someone else. If it displaces the NW European, then it is from my paternal grandmother.
                  Like all such programs they are only as good as the inputs. Without a comprehensive populations comparative database, or at least a database appropriate to your ancestries, your most-likely-matches may not represent your actual ancestries.

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                  • Originally posted by PDHOTLEN View Post
                    Weren't there Indians already in Puerto Rico when the Spaniards arrived?
                    Yes there were already Caribbean Indians (Taino and Arawak) when the Spanish got there. And many were sent to Europe. But many Woodland/East Coast Indians were shipped out as slaves and sent to the West Indies and to Europe (I wonder where in Europe. Just NW Europe?). I think the people that moved to Massachusetts may be descended from the original New England Indians that were sent to the Caribbean/West Indies in the 1600s. They could be mixed with Taino as well as English, Spanish, Dutch etc.

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                    • I just got my newest DNA Tribes update analysis.
                      I already edited my signature to reflect it.
                      I'll copy and paste it here.
                      Elizabeth
                      MTDNA: H1 16519C. From Colonial Virginia.
                      2006 AncestryByDna 2.5: 83% European & 17% Native American.
                      Europa: Portuguese (0.35) 78.35, Norse (0.32) 44.84, Celtic (0.25) 42.03
                      Part B: Syria (0.60) 184.97, Morocco (0.38) 146.23, Portugal (0.35) 109.21

                      Part C: Sergipe, Brazil (0.41) 217.78, Puerto Rican (Springfield, Massachusetts, U.S.A.) (0.53) 216.25, Syria (0.60) 184.97
                      Part D: North African (0.32) 64.10, Mediterranean (0.31) 48.05, Northwest European (0.29) 39.13



                      My Native American panel doesn't have any matches this time again. The top of the list is Athabaskan (Alaska) (0.01) 0.01. All the rest are 0.00.

                      In the Europa, Celtic bumped out Spanish (finally!) for third place. I think my Celtic should be in first place. The majority of my ancestry is British Isles. Except for the unknown 17% Native American detected by DNA Print in the summer of 2006.


                      Instead of picking up Qatar and Libya as I feared (a long time ago I matched Southern Tunisia) , my top 20 global picked up the new Brazilian category of Northern Rio, and the Central Portugal (and Azores). My top 20 global has 12 Brazil, 1 Puerto Rican, 1 Azores, 1 Caucasian, 1 Northeast Spain, 2 Portugal, 1 Morocco, and 1 Syria.

                      Sergipe, Brazil is now my top global match. I pronounce it "Sir Gippy" lol. I don't know if that is right.

                      The world regions are the same twelve as last time, with the same top three in the same order. Fourth is Aegean. Fifth is Levantine. Mestizo is sixth of the twelve and is at (0.45) 28.41.


                      My new Part B is:
                      Syria
                      Morocco
                      Portugal
                      Central Portugal
                      Northeast Spain
                      Flemish
                      Central Portugal (again)
                      Switzerland
                      Portugal (again)
                      Andalusia, Spain
                      Flemish (Belgium)
                      France
                      Flemish
                      Croatia
                      Bosnian Mountain Villages
                      Extremadura, Spain
                      Denmark
                      Sicily, Italy
                      Arab (Israel)
                      Piemonte, Italy


                      It's pretty much the same as my last one, except the matches to Turkey dropped out of the top 20. I think I picked up more Portugal. Did I have that Croatia before? I know I had the Bosnian Mountain Villages.
                      Last edited by rainbow; 16 April 2009, 06:24 PM.

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                      • Thanks for sharing, Elizabeth. It's so interesting to see the new changes. So, Syria is still #1 on your part B. (That's my hubby's #1 hit, too.) I'll wait a bit longer before I do any updates on myself -even though I'm always curious where things sit. (Last time, Iceland pushed Brazil out of my top 3.)

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                        • Does anyone know how quick the turnaround is for the 21 marker Tribes report, especially recently?

                          I just sent in my sample, and it got to the lab around Wednesday, this week. Any hope for receiving the report by the end of next week?

                          Can you tell I want to see the results?

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                          • They are fast

                            Originally posted by drouhin View Post
                            Does anyone know how quick the turnaround is for the 21 marker Tribes report, especially recently?
                            I just sent in my sample, and it got to the lab around Wednesday, this week. Any hope for receiving the report by the end of next week?
                            Can you tell I want to see the results?
                            Hello! Dna Tribes is fast. They took 07 days to send my (21 maker).

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                            • My husband just received his a week or so ago. It took about 9 days total, (including the weekend days) from when they received it. It arrived in our email box on a Friday after 4 pm. Also, in the past, I've received report results late on a Saturday.

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                              • Recent Tribes' Population.db Update

                                Friday, May 15, 2009
                                New Populations for May 15, 2009

                                We are pleased to announce the addition of several new populations to our database:

                                New East Asian Populations:
                                Central Thailand (212)
                                Indonesia (402)
                                Northeastern Thailand (304)
                                Northern Thailand (202)
                                Philippines (181)
                                Southern Thailand (211)

                                New European Populations:
                                Moldavia, Romania (1,321)
                                Republic of Montenegro (101)

                                New Latin American Populations:
                                Mestizo (Bolivia) (148)

                                New Near Eastern Populations:
                                Palestinian (Gaza Strip) (125)
                                Southern Morocco (Arabic speakers) (204)

                                New South Asian Populations:
                                Bengali (Bangladesh) (148)

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