New Tribes' Populations

[rainbow]

Saturday, March 14, 2009
New Populations for March 14, 2009

We are pleased to announce the addition of several new populations to our database:

New African Populations:
Nigeria (337)
Somalia (404)

New East Asian Populations:
Han (Southern China) (5,232)
Zhejiang, China (598)

New European Populations:
Azores Archipelago (475)
Central Portugal (2,125)
Croatia (200)
Czech Republic (1,411)

New Latin American Populations:
Northern Rio de Janeiro State, Brazil (494)
Parana, Brazil (4,076)

New Near Eastern Populations:
Libya (103)
Qatar (120)

I could take this update to see if I get a top match to the second category DNATribes has of Czech, but I think I'll just get some more top matches of Brazilian and Portugal. And maybe even Libya and Qatar!
My latest top two native matches are to Syria and Morocco. I'm not ready to see Libya up there.

Since my previous Czech match was only spotted in my extended, lower than my Wales score. I am 1/4 Czech. Or am I? Maybe my paternal grandfather wasn't my grandfather? But maybe I'll match Croatia since my previous (current) top 20 has a match to Bosnian Mountain Villages.

If DNA Tribes adds some Woodland Indian (of Northeast USA) categories, then I'll take another update for sure!

I wanna know where my 17% Native American is from. Where in North America is it from?

There are way too many categories ("population data") for Brazil. With the two new categories, there are now thirty-five (35!?!) categories all for Brazil. Why is that? Is someone taking a lot of vacations there and collecting dna info at the same time? lol

There is absolutely no Native American info for the eastern USA (unless you count the Lumbee, which I have a low match to in my extended at #311 (0.11) 5.50). No Oneida, no Mohawk, no Mohican (are they really extinct), no Lenape, no Cherokee, no Choctaw.

I'm leaning towards believing that I having a remnant of Susquehanna mixed with Delaware on my fathers side.

[burto]

Are scores of around 30 with Tribes anything meaningful? The reason I ask is that my Aunt did the 15 marker analysis last year and her highest score was about 35 I think, with all her matches clustering around Poland
She is 100% English. I was thinking that with scores like that, the computer was struggling to match her to anything so placed her to the next best "Germanic" thing-would that be right?

[Maria_W]

World record for DNA Tribes....

Gene2005

You scores absolutely stun me! Am I seeing what I'm seeing? Congratulations are in order! What can I say other then I want scores that high!! You could get in the world records of DNA Tribes!!!!

Maria

[rainbow]

Hi Gene2005. Your scores are amazingly high-your top is over 13million!

Hi Burto. If her highest scores are in the 30s then its important. If she has scores in the millions then 30 isnt important unless you are interested in small traces. Since your aunt is getting east european scores then i think that would be ancient dna from their mom. I guess it could be coastal Polish that traveled to England eons ago like i suggested to Maria in one of the threads.

[burto]

Hi Burto. If her highest scores are in the 30s then its important. If she has scores in the millions then 30 isnt important unless you are interested in small traces. Since your aunt is getting east european scores then i think that would be ancient dna from their mom. I guess it could be coastal Polish that traveled to England eons ago like i suggested to Maria in one of the threads.

Hi Rainbow,
Hmm, I don't know..it was taken a year ago with only 15 markers. At the time, when Mum did hers, she got very Southern European clusters and yet when she did the 21 marker upgrade, the results seemed a bit more probable (matches to British Isles). My Aunts results clustered around Poland and the locations her ancestors were from are Saxon/Dane. But then if she upgraded, no doubt things now would have changed!
It's a bit of a pain, given that Mum has had Eastern European matches with DeCodeMe, but given that I know her mother's origins are English and she is half way between the western European cluster on their map of kinship, then I'm not going to read too much into comparing DeCodeMe and the DNATribes scores of her half sister.

[derinos]

Are scores of around 30 with Tribes anything meaningful? The reason I ask is that my Aunt did the 15 marker analysis last year and her highest score was about 35 I think, with all her matches clustering around Poland
She is 100% English. I was thinking that with scores like that, the computer was struggling to match her to anything so placed her to the next best "Germanic" thing-would that be right?

In AD 500, anyone who was "100% English" would actually be 100% German (or Angle, Friese, Jute) just off the boat and probably waving a large knife! On evolutionary timescales that is very recent.

[rainbow]

In AD 500, anyone who was "100% English" would actually be 100% German (or Angle, Friese, Jute) just off the boat and probably waving a large knife! On evolutionary timescales that is very recent.

Yes exactly.. That is why I consider my top 20 match to Denmark a match to England.

[burto]

In AD 500, anyone who was "100% English" would actually be 100% German (or Angle, Friese, Jute) just off the boat and probably waving a large knife! On evolutionary timescales that is very recent.

So could that explain matches to Poland?

[rainbow]

So could that explain matches to Poland?

From what I remember, Maria also has high matches to Poland, but she has lots of British Isles ancestry and no Polish. I think it is from deep ancestry. She does have some German but I don't know if it's from extreme eastern Germany. I have some German too but mine is from the Alsace region. I consider my top 20 match to Switzerland as a stand in for that. I also have a teensy amount of Swiss. I have one fairly recent ancestor from the late 1700s who was from where Germany borders todays Denmark. The name is Danish-German. And I consider my top 20 match to Piemonte (and Sicily) , Italy as indicators of deep ancestry from Roman Britain.

[PDHOTLEN]

North German mixing

There must be a lot of confusion with autosomal DNA results when it comes to trying to separate North Germans from West Slavs. For example, Berlin was a Slavic fishing village on the river Spree at it's inception. The Wends, Sorbs and Poles, etc. were there as much as Germans. The differences may be more cultural than genetic. Also, the Swedish army was rampaging all over the area during the religious wars.

[RegRiv]

Opinions on Tribes Results

Hi everyone. I was hoping you could look over my dear hubby's Tribes 21-marker results...and offer an opinion on what this means. My husband is supposed to be 1/2 Italian and 1/2 Mexican, according to known genealogy. It appears to me that my DH is Middle Eastern - and Central/South American? (Btw, Lukas at Tribes said hubby was 1/4 Native American..?..) TIA for your opinion!
Regina

High Resolution Native Population Match Results

Syria (0.66) 276.82
Costa Rica (0.65) 186.04
Southwest Andean Region, Colombia (0.62) 130.49
Buenos Aires, Argentina (0.51) 116.66
Chubut, Argentina (0.56) 113.23
Oman (0.58) 111.26
Bogota, Colombia (0.63) 102.84
Hispanic (California, U.S.A.) (0.59) 95.42
El Salvador (0.66) 94.77
Misiones, Argentina (0.48) 91.23
Israel (0.44) 89.99
Hispanic (0.62) 89.19
El Salvador (0.55) 94.77
Lombardia, Italy (0.36) 86.30
Hispanic (Arizona, U.S.A.) (0.46) 84.94
Costa Rica (0.48) 83.85
Costa Rica (0.49) 81.90
Central Andean Region, Colombia (0.6) 80.03
Santa Fe, Argentina (0.5) 75.98
Mestizo (Argentina) (0.44) 75.80

Part C: High Resolution Global Population Match Results

Syria (0.66) 276.82
Costa Rica (0.65) 186.04
Southwest Andean Region, Colombia (0.62) 130.49
Buenos Aires, Argentina (0.51) 116.66
Chubut, Argentina (0.56) 113.23
Oman (0.58) 111.26
Bogota, Colombia (0.63) 102.84
Hispanic (California, U.S.A.) (0.59) 95.42
El Salvador (0.66) 94.77
Misiones, Argentina (0.48) 91.23
Israel (0.44) 89.99
Hispanic (0.62) 89.19
El Salvador (0.55) 94.77
Lombardia, Italy (0.36) 86.30
Hispanic (Arizona, U.S.A.) (0.46) 84.94
Costa Rica (0.48) 83.85
Costa Rica (0.49) 81.90
Central Andean Region, Colombia (0.6) 80.03
Santa Fe, Argentina (0.5) 75.98
Mestizo (Argentina) (0.44) 75.80

Part D: High Resolution World Region Match Results

Mestizo (0.71) 136.61
North African (0.33) 65.06
Levantine (0.43) 61.61
Aegean (0.47) 60.49
Mediterranean (0.28) 35.81
Mesopotamian (0.37) 32.23
Finno -Ugrian (0.22) 13.80
Arabian (0.16) 11.27
Northwest European (0.15) 9.72
Eastern European (0.08) 2.58
North India (0.05) 1.31
Eastern India (0.12) .92
Andean (0.06) .68
South India (0.02) .55
Altaian (0.09) .49
Patagonian (0.02) .44
Australian (0.08) .29
Mexican (0.03) .24
Mayan (0.02) .15
Tibetan (0.03) .14
Central American (0.02) .12
Amazonian (0.01) .03
South Chinese (0) .02
Ojibwa (0) .02
East African (0) .01
Japanese (0.01) .01

[DKF]

Hi everyone. I was hoping you could look over my dear hubby's Tribes 21-marker results...and offer an opinion on what this means. My husband is supposed to be 1/2 Italian and 1/2 Mexican, according to known genealogy. It appears to me that my DH is Middle Eastern - and Central/South American? (Btw, Lukas at Tribes said hubby was 1/4 Native American..?..) TIA for your opinion!
Regina

This company official appears to tell just about everyone who whats to hear it that they are between 1/8 and 1/4 Native American - despite even their flawed output showing nothing of the sort - at least to my somewhat trained eye. An important question is, what does the genealogy say. If there is no Native American found in the paper trail then until a record is found, or their is confirmatory evidence from a more robust source (e.g., 23andme), the statement is, in my opinion, entirely hollow.

[rainbow]

Hi Regina. Your DH does have a match or two to Italy. And Argentina has a lot of Italians. You can tell if a person is Argentinian by how they speak. They speak Spanish with an Italian accent. I also have a top match to Syria, but I don't have any Syrian ancestry. Unless you count the Holy Land bride a Norman ancestor took during the Crusades. Or maybe ancient Phoeoicians that settled somewhere around Gibraltar then up along the coast of Portugal and then to the British Isles? Based on your DHs matches I would agree that he has Native American ancestry too. Lucas is the expert. Forum member tomcat is an expert too. Try to get his opinion.

[tomcat]

... Mohican (are they really extinct)...

No. Some are among the Stockbridge Brotherton tribe in Wisconsin and others out west.

[rainbow]

RegRiv - DNA Tribes has many digests that you can download for free. One digest shows gene flow from South America to North America.

Tomcat - Thank you.