New Tribes' Populations

[rainbow]

Some of my female ancestors come to dead ends due to unknown maiden names. I don't have reason to think they were native Americans. One reason is that prior to 1850, the censuses did not include the names of wives or children. I lucked out in one line that takes it back to England; but that line is not my mtDNA. Another female line I think changed their name ("Vial" from Delaware). It may have originally been Weil (pronounced the same in German).

Hi PDHOTLEN. I would agree. Lots of non-English names were changed to an English spelling. Or maybe your Vial was a midwife or medicine woman and was nicknamed Vial and it became her surname. Most likely it was originally Weil as you said. I just have a tendency to come up with alternate scenarios. Sometimes genealogy is like a mystery show on tv, except it takes longer than an hour to discover the truth. .Elizabeth

[Maria_W]

I said maybe....

I said "Maybe" this was the missing element, not that it was. Matter of fact I just found 2 maiden names and they aren't Native American so...

Maria

[PDHOTLEN]

RE unknown wives

Some of my female ancestors come to dead ends due to unknown maiden names. I don't have reason to think they were native Americans. One reason is that prior to 1850, the censuses did not include the names of wives or children. I lucked out in one line that takes it back to England; but that line is not my mtDNA. Another female line I think changed their name ("Vial" from Delaware). It may have originally been Weil (pronounced the same in German).

[rainbow]

Why didn't you say that in the first place?

I didn't know you had unknown lines. Wives whose names were unknown in colonial days very well could have been Native American. That is the reason I wanted to know my mtdna, because of an unknown wife in Virginia in the late 1700s on my direct maternal line. I hope you and your historian friend find out about yours.

[Maria_W]

I am getting tired of this!

My DeCodeMe test scores and my ABDNA scores are very close and I have decided to go with them.. Bill Deyo, who is the tribal historian for the Potowomecke has told me that he thinks that I have more lines, Colonial and maybe recent then known about and he is going to try to help me find them, so ....I have alot of female ancestors, as in g.grandmothers and further back who have no last names or it says unknown spouse that were born in Virginia, Pennslyvana, North and South Carolina, Massachsuetts and Maine and New Jersey,ect all the way from 1600's, 1700's. Hello, maybe thats the missing element.

Maria

[rainbow]

Hi Maria. Wow that is a high score for your Northern Ireland. That's great! Overall, do your new matches and scores make sense to you? Part of me wants to get the new analysis too, but I would probably get some more strange matches. In previous reports I had top 20 matches to Mozambique&Pakistan&Southern Tunisia. The only time I had matches that fit my known ancestry was my last 15 marker update-it had London, England and Scotland and Northern Ireland. But my 2nd highest was Bahrain. :? I want to wait until they have more USA Amerindian to compare with. Elizabeth

[Maria_W]

Celtic scores...

Hi Rainbow.
I have Irish, English, Welsh, Scotts heritage...
So as far as the Celtic score of 596 on Europa it was pretty right on...
On part B. and C. my 3rd highest score was 1,476.97 for Northern Ireland..
Part d my second highest score was Northwest European with 303...Includes the above countries...So its accurate for Celtic!

Maria

[rainbow]

Yes. That brings back the point that either Maria has more Native American ancestry than she knows of or that results from 2 of the 3 autosomal admixture tests are wrong and overestimated her Asian-Native American. And if her results are wrong then mine would be also. And everyone's. Which test is right? Elizabeth

[marvallen]

After 12 genertions, the Native American autosomal influence of one Native American ancestor would amount to less than 0.1%, assuming 50/50 splits in each generation. Probably not measurable with current technology.

[rainbow]

I don't understand the decodeme either. My guess is that is deciphering the kaleidoscope of dna. Overall you are mostly European, call it purple, but with specks of green or blue or whatever, and they numbered each speck or cluster of specks, call it a chromosone, and your mostly purple has a little bit of blue, and decodeme has mapped each one and has numbered it. Well that is dna in general. It's like looking at a painting and you can see each brushstroke and colors and blending.

[rainbow]

Thanks for posting your new Europa results. If I remember correctly you have mostly British Isles ancestry with a few others like French and German. I expected that your top score would be Celtic. I dont understand the second score of Polish but maybe it represents possible Baltic or eastern German? It is probably ancient. People traveled the North Sea and the Baltic Sea for ages. Makes me think of the story of Beowulf. He traveled to what is England today from what is todays southeastern Sweden, which is across the water from Poland.

[Maria_W]

DeCodeMe...

By the way, I will go by the DeCodeMe results, not the 23andme....which has me at 100% European...

Maria

[Maria_W]

359 instead of 450...

Burto,
The Asian results are very complicated... I will ask them how they figured the percentage. I think the 6% and 9% are very simplified and just crude measurements. Then you go to the raw data in the genome browser and it has a ancestry line for each chromosome where you run across the whole chromosome and it showes you the lowest and progresses to the highest percentage of each ethnic group. My higest Asian percentage was on chromosome 14,on that section my score was 58.7% Asian between postion 45,747,245 and position 45,747,250. I don't quite understand it all my self.. This could be ancient readings..Going to write them and ask.

My known Potowomecke ancestry should read 359 years... not 450 years..Starting from around 1650's when Rev Waugh and the grandaughter of Wahangonoche had children...

Maria

[burto]

Hi Maria,
Can I just ask, your Asian results you quote in your signature for DeCodeMe, what do they mean? Like you have so many percentages on a line are you quoting the percentage for each chromosome? They seem quite high for some (38.8% etc) compared to your score overall, do they break each chromosome down for you? I suppose there's no way of knowing which parent it came from either but your actual Native ancestry was 350 years ago, so where are they getting these high scores from?

[derinos]

I sometimes wonder about the Czech Republic. What happened to the tribes who were there prior to the Slavic invasion? I saw on a travelog about that country that there is a difference in temperament between Bohemians and Moravians. Does that have to do with ethnic roots? Have all the Sudeten Germans, themselves of different origins, really been expelled, or have some remained and melted into the Czech population?

Julius Caesar (ca 50 BC) writes in "De Bello Gallico", how he drove the Boii, Aedii, and Helvetii to migrate from their tribal homes in Celtic Gaul, and boasted of the great reduction in their numbers that he wrought. He implies they were witless barbarians, but undercuts himself by describing the captured Census Book they kept,"..written in Greek characters, listing by age and sex and suitability for military service.."
The Boii ended up inserted in what came to be called "Boimia", now spelt Bohemia. This would be half a millennium before the Slavic immmigrations.