Can someone explain what an I1*-AS9 is

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Hi,

I've asked this on another forum, and no one gave me an answer to my question.

In haplogroup I1, there are several little sub groups that have various names like AS (Anglo Saxon) or UN (Ultra Norse)

There are several versions of AS, and someone has decided that I am AS9.

What does AS9 mean? Where does AS9 fit on the AS tree (if there is such a thing), and what makes AS9 different from say, AS3 or any other AS such as "generic"?

Please don't refer me to an Excel spreadsheet, I don't have Excel.

I'd just like a brief description of what this means. It must mean something, otherwise, the labels wouldn't exist.

Thank you in advance for your replies.

[s trangsrud]

This chart will show you what I1-AS9 looks like. (no Excel needed)

http://dgmweb.net/genealogy/DNA/Hg-I-subclades-FTDNA-order.shtml

[rucksack]

Thank you for the chart.

Do you have any idea as to the name and / or what it stands for?

Thanks

This chart will show you what I1-AS9 looks like. (no Excel needed)

http://dgmweb.net/genealogy/DNA/Hg-I...NA-order.shtml

[s trangsrud]

The AS in I1-AS stands for Anglo & Saxon, as in the Germanic tribes that lived in what is now Denmark and Northern Germany, where I1-AS is found in highest frequency. I1-AS are DYS462=12, DYS511=9 & usually DYS390=22. The 9 means it was the ninth AS cluster that I1 researcher, Ken Nordtvedt, had identified.

The new SNP, L22, has so far been negative for I1-AS types, and positive for I1-Norse types. The I1-N types have highest frequencies in Sweden, Norway & Western Finland.

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s trangsrud,

Thank you for your concise reply... I wonder why Ken didn't give me that answer on the other forum.

I asked it exactly the same way. I knew all of the rest, just not what the "9" of an AS9 meant.

Peace -

[Eki]

The AS in I1-AS stands for Anglo & Saxon, as in the Germanic tribes that lived in what is now Denmark and Northern Germany, where I1-AS is found in highest frequency. I1-AS are DYS462=12, DYS511=9 & usually DYS390=22. The 9 means it was the ninth AS cluster that I1 researcher, Ken Nordtvedt, had identified.

The new SNP, L22, has so far been negative for I1-AS types, and positive for I1-Norse types. The I1-N types have highest frequencies in Sweden, Norway & Western Finland.

I got my L22 result yesterday. It was L22+. Another I1-Bothnia I know of was also L22+. So I guess I1-Bothnia is between I1-AS and I1-N or DYS511 has mutated back to DYS511=9.

[s trangsrud]

I1-Bothnia is on the L22 branch with I1-N

I got my L22 result yesterday. It was L22+. Another I1-Bothnia I know of was also L22+. So I guess I1-Bothnia is between I1-AS and I1-N or DYS511 has mutated back to DYS511=9.

I also received my L22+ results yesterday. (and then spent too much time on the internet reading messages/comments about the new results.)

L22 verifies that I1-Bothnia and I-N are on the same branch. A split before I1-N's DYS511 increased to 10 seems most straightforward explination, but a mutation back down to 9 is certainly possible. Do you think we will ever know for certain?

How is FTDNA going to label I1-L22+ ?

[Eki]

I also received my L22+ results yesterday. (and then spent too much time on the internet reading messages/comments about the new results.)

L22 verifies that I1-Bothnia and I-N are on the same branch. A split before I1-N's DYS511 increased to 10 seems most straightforward explination, but a mutation back down to 9 is certainly possible. Do you think we will ever know for certain?

How is FTDNA going to label I1-L22+ ?

Only time will tell, I guess.