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  • #31
    Originally posted by derinos
    Don't get too fussy about which Tribe! People, especially women, would change tribes.
    Within a general genetic pool or region, a tribal name was usually that of the geographic feature that gave a name to the land it occupied. For example, "Powhatan" means the "upper waterfall" of the James River (?), after which the resident tribe, later taken over by Wahunsunacough, was historically named; and whose name "W" then took as his title.....
    As recorded, when Chief Powhatan conquered a tribe, after enslaving or driving away the braves, he sent the women and children to merge with another tribe. The Kecoughtan women and children were transferred to Werowocomoco just before Smith's arrival, 1606, and the surviving warriors escaped to Cape Charles. Both groups of people thus acquired new tribal identities.

    So far all I have to go on is a DNA Tribes match to Alaskan Athabaskans, but my 17% is from New Jersey (my father's side).

    I have a small amount of 'Powhatan' on my mother's side, according to distant cousins.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by rainbow
      So far all I have to go on is a DNA Tribes match to Alaskan Athabaskans, but my 17% is from New Jersey (my father's side).

      I have a small amount of 'Powhatan' on my mother's side, according to distant cousins.
      Rainbow, I hope the following will be useful to you and others!


      Powhatan Confederation of Virginia Tribes:


      SEVEN OF THE EIGHT STATE RECOGNIZED VIRGINIA TRIBES THAT WERE
      PART OF THE HISTORIC POWHATAN CONFEDERACY

      Chickahominy
      Chief Stephen Adkins
      82 Lott Cary Road
      Providence Forge, VA 23140

      Eastern Chickahominy
      Chief Marvin Bradby
      12111 Indian Hill Lane
      Providence Forge, VA 23140

      Mattaponi (Reservation)
      Chief Carl "Lone Eagle" Custalow
      1467 Reservation Circle
      West Point, VA 23181

      Nansemond
      Chief Barry W. Bass
      P.O. Box 2515
      Suffolk, VA 23432

      Pamunkey (Reservation)
      Chief William P. Miles
      Route 1, Box 2220
      King William, VA 23086

      Rappahannock
      Chief Anne Richardson
      HCR 1 Box 402
      Indian Neck, VA 23148

      Upper Mattaponi
      Chief Kenneth Adams
      13383 King William Road
      King William, VA 23086

      The following tribe is Siouan-speaking, and was not part of the Powhatan Confederacy.

      Monacan Indian Nation
      Chief Kenneth Branham
      P.O. Box 1136
      Madison Heights, VA 24572

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      • #33
        Thanks Derinos, but my Powhatan is very small and I don't have the documents to prove it. It is just what distant cousins online say we have in common.

        I've never had the decodeme or 23andme tests done, only the DNAPrint.
        I don't know why I posted in this thread in the first place. I guess I thought I was in the Indian admixture thread (that is on my mind a lot). I'm sorry I went off topic. It wasn't intentional.

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        • #34
          I think I'll copy all the Virginia info and paste it in the Native American admixture thread.

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          • #35
            Well we know for sure Powhantan himself and I would suspect at least some of his family retired south of james town.. now what I think should be a female line with a powhantan;s family connection was in SC in 1600's with a french name. so how some of them got from british areas to french, and from VA to SC, in abt 100 years I don't know . that doesn't sound right at all .
            this Powhatan link could be in another branch.. but I still can't help it , I think it is up on that side of that branch, even though it may not make sense. or there is some history of indian people movements I haven't found or understood yet.
            rainbow if you find anything south of Va do let me know, thanks. I should do my dads mtdna .. and see what comes back, just to now for sure if it might be direct up that side.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by purple flowers
              Well we know for sure Powhantan himself and I would suspect at least some of his family retired south of james town.. now what I think should be a female line with a powhantan;s family connection was in SC in 1600's with a french name. so how some of them got from british areas to french, and from VA to SC, in abt 100 years I don't know . that doesn't sound right at all .
              this Powhatan link could be in another branch.. but I still can't help it , I think it is up on that side of that branch, even though it may not make sense. or there is some history of indian people movements I haven't found or understood yet.
              rainbow if you find anything south of Va do let me know, thanks. I should do my dads mtdna .. and see what comes back, just to now for sure if it might be direct up that side.

              I have no proof to back this, it's just my opinion/feeling that, before European colonization, tribes freely migrated and moved around and intermingled a lot all along the east coast. Maybe they went to Florida in the winter.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by rainbow
                I have no proof to back this, it's just my opinion/feeling that, before European colonization, tribes freely migrated and moved around and intermingled a lot all along the east coast. Maybe they went to Florida in the winter.
                There is report that Wahunsunacough was part Florida Seminole, brought North by his dad, and had experienced Spanish culture in Florida. There seem to be some Powhatan language inserts from Spanish.
                The word "Maracca" comes from there and is listed in the colonists' Powhatan Algonkian language lexicon as meaning "Apple". "Poco", Spanish for small, lesser, used also for undesirable, bad or inferior is another such Akgonkian word. The word for the guns of the colonists "poco-sack" implies "bad-cut". Algonkian "Matcher" (Hispanic "manger") is eating.

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                • #38
                  Re Seminoles

                  I don''t have any sources at my finger tips. But my impression of the Seminoles is that they are a derivative tribe that broke off from the Creek Tribe in Alabama, Georgia, etc. I read somewhere that the Spanish hired the Seminoles to track down and murder any and every Calusa that they could. The only Calusas that survived were the ones that fled to Cuba.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by PDHOTLEN
                    I don''t have any sources at my finger tips. But my impression of the Seminoles is that they are a derivative tribe that broke off from the Creek Tribe in Alabama, Georgia, etc. I read somewhere that the Spanish hired the Seminoles to track down and murder any and every Calusa that they could. The only Calusas that survived were the ones that fled to Cuba.
                    There is a tribe in Florida that was originally from Tennessee and they were a part of the Seminoles for a while, but then broke off and are now the Miccosukee..
                    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miccosukee

                    The area I live in today was the homeland of the Tequesta, now extinct as a tribe, supposedly.
                    Maybe there are descendants alive today, but not as a tribe.

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                    • #40
                      RE Tequesta tribe

                      I recall a museum diorama in Miami, showing a couple of Indians in the wild south Florida setting before the coming of Europeans. I imagine they were supposed to be Tequestas, and were probably labeled as such. They probably lived mostly along the Cutler Ridge; the limestone eastern rim of the Everglades that is the most expensive real estate in south Florida.

                      R1a1 & U5b2

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by PDHOTLEN
                        I recall a museum diorama in Miami, showing a couple of Indians in the wild south Florida setting before the coming of Europeans. I imagine they were supposed to be Tequestas, and were probably labeled as such. They probably lived mostly along the Cutler Ridge; the limestone eastern rim of the Everglades that is the most expensive real estate in south Florida.

                        R1a1 & U5b2
                        Here is a map of Florida showing where the Tequesta lived.
                        http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...sta-tribe2.PNG

                        It's from wikipedia. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tequesta


                        I think the Miccosukee have a museum, and hotel/resort, and casino, and golf course.

                        About the same as the Seminoles, I think.

                        The Seminole tribe owns all the Hard Rock Cafes (?) in the world.
                        They bought the whole chain two years ago.
                        I googled a link about it. http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-2785322.html

                        I've never been to a casino.
                        I buy the occasional lotto ticket. I've tried scratch-offs. Never won anything.
                        I was once given a gift of $35 worth of scratch-offs. Didn't win anything. (Won a couple of free tickets that lost).
                        I remember winning a quilt at a raffle once (free raffle ticket). That was my lucky day.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by derinos
                          There is report that Wahunsunacough was part Florida Seminole, brought North by his dad, and had experienced Spanish culture in Florida. There seem to be some Powhatan language inserts from Spanish.
                          The word "Maracca" comes from there and is listed in the colonists' Powhatan Algonkian language lexicon as meaning "Apple". "Poco", Spanish for small, lesser, used also for undesirable, bad or inferior is another such Akgonkian word. The word for the guns of the colonists "poco-sack" implies "bad-cut". Algonkian "Matcher" (Hispanic "manger") is eating.
                          I guess south Carolina isn't to far from Florida.. do you know where, he retired? I once read that. I thought
                          it was a tribe just a bit south in VA. but maybe not.. I can't find it now.
                          and like rainbow says they sure could travel with the weather also.
                          but that doesn't prove or disprove he was a descendant of Spaniards.
                          I think that there is alot more words that are similar to that side of the pond and it is from ancient times, not post Columbus. just the amounts of recorded history saying many of the tribes spoke something very similar to welsh and semitic languages alone, is just too common. any sea people, and people who traded with sea people.. who intermarried with some sea people... in the MED who came from here or there would also share words or concepts that should have shown links, and proved what they said all along.. that someof them came from that side. .
                          I think there just was just lots more sharing of everything than they will admit anyway . especially if turtle Island moved west during one of the world wide recorded events.

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                          • #43
                            that was interesting (Rainbow's links)

                            I only spent a year in the Miami area (1978/79). I stopped at the Miccosukee tourist traps along the Tamiami Trail a couple of times. Once was to show some visitors from Connecticut some real live Indians. Another time I stopped in their restaurant. I remember being disappointed that I wasn't served by Indian maidens, instead of a garden variety of a white "cracker", ha ha. (I was mostly interested in bird watching in the area.) They offer airboat rides, which unfortunately I didn't take advantage of.

                            I don't know how the Tequestas or anyone else could tolerate the mosquitos and "no-see-ums" along the shores of Biscayne Bay in the summer. But caucasians (reputedly) literally have thinner skins than other "races."

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                            • #44
                              I'm glad you liked the links.

                              I hope I never take an airboat ride. The airboat ride is thru a swamp filled with alligators or crocodiles and big watersnakes.
                              Once on the news there was a story about people getting stranded on an airboat ride. They were there for a long time (overnight?) and were rescued (they were fine).
                              Last edited by rainbow; 10 December 2008, 08:33 PM.

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                              • #45
                                tidbit re Brazil's Native Americans (BBC)

                                I just saw this when I was browsing BBC:

                                http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7774895.stm

                                I hope the Natives win.

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