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  • #61
    Originally posted by DKF
    Yes, 16 is modal across the world with 15 and 17 also found at relatively high percentages in most populations. It is only when you get out to the fringes, 9 and 19, that some population distinctions are possible. It is unfortunate, but for this marker a 16 cannot be interpreted because it is found in all populations.
    Yes, Many come up with 16.I also have 18. Marker repeats 19 and 20 are rare in general
    Last edited by Yaffa; 7 September 2008, 12:50 PM.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Yaffa
      Not confused. just never heard the Saponi called Blackfoot. Never seen them in Rowan NC history called Blackfoot
      you can google "saponi town". front page has some history links. fallum and batts is good.. also a few others where VA "officals are trying to all VA indians " nigros" and they go ask the saponi people where they came from. lots of interesting things at that site if you are into VA./ Fort Christiana indian info ..

      http://search.live.com/results.aspx?...c=IE-SearchBox

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      • #63
        Originally posted by purple flowers
        you can google "saponi town". front page has some history links. fallum and batts is good.. also a few others where VA "officals are trying to all VA indians " nigros" and they go ask the saponi people where they came from. lots of interesting things at that site if you are into VA./ Fort Christiana indian info ..

        http://search.live.com/results.aspx?...c=IE-SearchBox
        We have our Moore Line that may have come from Brunswick VA ( per DNA matches another Moore that claims Brunswick ) He may have been in Orange, NC per deed but cant confirm its ours for sure. Can confirm he wound up in Rowan NC. Unfortunatley have not found a strong enough papertrail on ancestor to confirm VA. I have seen Saponi Town but they are not researching any of our lines. Completely different surnames and people

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Maria_W
          Hi Yaffa.

          Yes, you are correct. I do have a paper trail back to my Amerindian (Potowomecke) ancestors in Virginia.

          Maria
          Hi! Maria

          See you have a paper trail and Tom and I have Native MT-DNA and none of us came up with a 9 repeat.

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          • #65
            http://www.saponitown.com/VirginiaNativeHistory.htm
            this is really one of my favorite sites when I want to remember what their life and wardrobes were like.. it is a glimpse into many tribes also. Not just Poni's

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            • #66
              Casino reference

              Hi Yaffa,

              Genetic toss of the dice that I got a 17/18...

              Maria

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              • #67
                Oh Well!!!

                Originally posted by Maria_W
                Hi Yaffa,

                Genetic toss of the dice that I got a 17/18...

                Maria
                Hi Maria

                Guess we fall in the 69% of being not unique on this marker. Oh well!

                Yaffa

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                • #68
                  so it is only following routes/paths that "C " men are in or have been in recently ?

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                  • #69
                    Map of the 19/20 variant

                    I have created a Google Map to show the geographical distribution of the 19/20 variant of D9S1120. It is only a "rough draft" for now, but shows the linear pattern being seen in most of the Northern Pakistani tribes and the area which seems to have been a staging point for population movement to the Americas via Beringia the Yakut and surrounding people. Then in the Americas it has an interesting distribution pattern across the entire northernmost tier, and south to the Yucatan Penninsula but not seen at all in Central or South America - strictly North American. The lines are just a join the dots exercise to show how it is "as if" the variant was following a pathway to the east. There is no deviation from this line, for example no one in all the European samples had either 19 or 20 (the largest repeat value).

                    The URL is http://tinyurl.com/5ukqrl

                    What is presented is entirely tentative since we don't know if the variant is identical by descent or identical by state. The only way to tell would be to do a haplotype block analysis sequencing about 80 kb around the marker. Apparently this has already been done and is likely to appear in an upcoming publication. Hence nothing can be concluded at this stage except it the present distribution is along a path that reaches from Africa through the southern part of Central Asia to North America - very unusual if it is just coincidence.

                    Please feel free to comment as I am unsure of what I am seeing. It is a bit lonely out at the far end of the range. Hopefully I will have a fellow 19 join me sometime - although it seems a bit remote.

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                    • #70
                      all I see is a huge gap between cental asia and bering straits to me.. .. I think you are still asking the wrong question. oh well.
                      it is in north africa with in whom? and where else in europe at all? and it is in greenland with whom?

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by purple flowers
                        all I see is a huge gap between cental asia and bering straits to me.. .. I think you are still asking the wrong question. oh well.
                        it is in north africa with in whom? and where else in europe at all? and it is in greenland with whom?
                        Sorry, I had the Yakut (the tribal group most closely associated with Native Americans) in the wrong location, and forgot the Oroquen. Nothing in Europe of I would have put a balloon there. If you click on the balloons you see the data.

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                        • #72
                          I would suggest those of you who also have deCODEme to analyse the autosomal SNP segment around the location of this marker and check it against HGDP_CEPH data for native americans versus europeans. If the autosomal segment suggest native american, then it is native american, if not then not. If thats too difficult use the deCODEme genome browser and compare the location segment to native american individuals (they are there!) or east asians individuals to see if there is high sharing in this particular area.
                          Last edited by Noaide; 8 September 2008, 03:19 AM.

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                          • #73
                            nothing shows up

                            Originally posted by purple flowers
                            all I see is a huge gap between cental asia and bering straits to me.. .. I think you are still asking the wrong question. oh well.
                            it is in north africa with in whom? and where else in europe at all? and it is in greenland with whom?
                            Nothing show up on that link when I look but no he is not asking the wrong question. 19 repeats only seems to show up in Asia and Native people here and 20 repeats only shows up in very few NA according to the people in this study ( which I have posted a link in this thread ) on the marker D9S919. 8 repeats is more common ( 31 % ) than 19 and 20 but only shows up in NA

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                            • #74
                              I have decodeme....

                              Noaide.

                              I have decodeme but don't know how to use it to find out what your talking about. Matter of fact I never contacted them to let them know that some of my info is missing, since I have had so much personal issues going on. Where do I look?

                              Maria

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by DKF
                                Sorry, I had the Yakut (the tribal group most closely associated with Native Americans) in the wrong location, and forgot the Oroquen. Nothing in Europe of I would have put a balloon there. If you click on the balloons you see the data.
                                yes I found that it did show where the people where found.

                                my only warning here is. by looking at that map you have few a built in assumption or two competing assumptions even.... that assumption could your origins are Yakuts and that they all walked to Bering straits?...I guess.. or that your origins are Yakuts and they all walked south and you are African..

                                in truth your origins can be anyplace along that line and two groups moved in opposite directions after your left it due to war or some other thing.. that is probably the best, least assuming assumption to take at this stage. and since much of the current matches aren't far from the Med.. well that could just mean anything, including sea people who are associated to that MED and sea people in boats can also get to turtle island.. so the maps are good and they are a clues.. but again 'asking the right question is the only way to find the right answer'. so keep asking questions till you find the very very best question.

                                for every assumption you make at any early stage of compiling facts..the more asumptions the more likely you are to come up with a conclusion that is wrong or totally incomplete.
                                so find all the asumptions every time you get new facts. don't ever make your conclusions based on assumptions.. especially 3 or 4 thousand years after the fact.. and we are just starting to compile the REAL facts. but everyone is made too many conclusions based totally on usually bad asumptions..
                                also your northern north american route matches pretty closely one of the hudson bay trading routes , close anyway. you might want to check that out. just incase

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