Origins R1b1b2h (aka R1b1c10 aka R1b1b2a2g)

[Krumlov]

Hello all,

I have just upgraded my haplogroup testing and I am R1b1b2h. I have been doing some surfing to find some additional information about the origins of this haplogroup and continually find David Faux's work that places the origin with the Cimbri people from Jutland. I have seen a little comment that he is but one person and it is one hypothesis. My question is what are the alternate theories or the wider held view of the origins of this haplogroup?

In addition I have so far traced my line back to Scotland specifically the counties of Midlothian, East Lothian and Berwickshire. I understood from one article that this is unusual because just about all R1b1b2h are in England? Did I read that wrong or am I indeed in a minority?

[DKF]

Hello all,

I have just upgraded my haplogroup testing and I am R1b1b2h. I have been doing some surfing to find some additional information about the origins of this haplogroup and continually find David Faux's work that places the origin with the Cimbri people from Jutland. I have seen a little comment that he is but one person and it is one hypothesis. My question is what are the alternate theories or the wider held view of the origins of this haplogroup?

In addition I have so far traced my line back to Scotland specifically the counties of Midlothian, East Lothian and Berwickshire. I understood from one article that this is unusual because just about all R1b1b2h are in England? Did I read that wrong or am I indeed in a minority?

You are correct that U152 is rare in Scotland. Orkney has been properly sampled and it is found in only about 5% of the population and only among those with Norse surnames. Since U152 is found in the SE of Norway, this would be a likely source. As one proceeds further south it is only found to date on the east coast of Scotland, and not in Ireland to date except in those with English or Scottish surnames. It also hugs the east coast of England being non-existant so far in the south along the English channel (Wessex and Sussex).

My resources page will give you all the known information and you can draw your own conclusions: http://www.davidkfaux.org/R1b1c10_Resources.pdf.

It would make sense if U152 arrived in England in La Tene times and spread north but there is nothing in its present distribution or in the archaeological record (the Arras culture being considered now as a local La Tene - like group but unliekly to be Continental transplants). If anyone can find a good hypothesis that fits with the archaeological data and the east coast predominance I am all ears. I have wrestled with this thing for three years now an am frustrated but the lack of data beyond what I have collected - although Neiderstatter et al. (2008) did study the area around Innsbruck Austria and found that 21% of R1b was U152. A start, but little more than that.