English-Viking DNA study

[derinos]

Mispronounced?

Some of my Brit friends had a theory that the English name originated with v and i replaced with f and u. "Vik" in Norse was one of the names for a coastal inlet.

[clintonplatt]

I wish they would at least post modal DYS values.

The report uses haplogroups to determine the levels of Viking presence in West Lancashire and the Wirral.
It deduces that medieval West Lancashire was 17% R1a1 compared with modern which is now 2% R1a1, and that medieval Wirral was 14% R1a1 compared with 4% now. Bearing in mind that the control, Norway, is 35% R1a1.

Various markers from various studies were used to determine the haplogroups.

[Nagelfar]

There is no specific Viking mode of Ydna, but a lot of them would have been I1a, I1b or of the R1 subclades.

Right except for the I1b. I1a yes, but I1b almost doesn't exist in Scandinavia, some in north-eastern Germany area (which is the majority of the small subclade I1b2), but I1b as a whole is more to the Balkans.

[Hando]

Some of my Brit friends had a theory that the English name originated with v and i replaced with f and u. "Vik" in Norse was one of the names for a coastal inlet.

Hi, I'm not sure if I follow. Are you saying that the English name originally was with F and U and then changed to V and I?
Cheers

Also, I think the Vik is still around.

[derinos]

Sorry, humorous etymology; but possible.

Hi, I'm not sure if I follow. Are you saying that the English name originally was with F and U and then changed to V and I?
Cheers

Also, I think the Vik is still around.

Apologies for levity, I was somewhat playing at being Benny Hill!
There is no doubt that the English personal noun "Viking" means persons from the Viks (who raided by sailing into other people's Viks).

The origin of the rude English "f"-word is obscure, and the verb "viking" indeed does have a penetrative implication.

[CWF]

Hi all.

I am a little bit new here but I am puzzled by all the strong reactions to anything Viking or Scandinavian. A few months ago I was surprised by my DNA test results that revealed that I am I1a-N. I am Black and was somewhat aware that my father's line probably had white/european ancestry. I just never considered the possibility that it could be Scandinavian. I've been scouring through all the posts about I1a, Scandinavian and Viking topics and have come to realize that they tend to be really controversial. Any thoughts on why??

I received an even bigger surprise when I got my mtdna results back but that's another story.

Thanks.

[purple flowers]

well I was thinking about that too.
I think Europe thinks of Vikings like we think of bloods and crypts.. raiding pillaging murdering and spreading their seed around.. it's an aweful curse and it needs to be stopped now !
so they do not see what Americans fascination is with it.... but to lots of us it kinda rings of cowboys and gunslingers. biker gangs and Indian chiefs, plus the david and his mightymen and ol Galioth's too , jessee james and all . so the cruder elements in life make them more " real "... now us Americans kinda love the bad boys ... just a little bit . and they just don't get it... sometimes I do not either.
like I do respect the vikings for their feats... but some of their feats were no different than say PRES clintons...
my hubby is a I1a also.
now your moms Mtdna line.... it can't be a surprize... just like mexico.. most of the females in slavery were indians before africans started coming here.. and mostly those africans were males.. so I do not know what the % of natives is in the black community but it had to be very high at one time.
if I can be of any help just ask.

[CWF]

Thanks for the response. I don't know much about the bloods or crypts but I think they are mostly a Los Angeles area gang that primarily shoot at each other. I know there has been lots of raping and pillaging in the history of mankind that has been engaged in across the board by lots of different people. I'll admit that it's probably just a defect of being male. Luckily, we are a little bit more civilized today.


Lots of Americans both black and white claim Native Indian ancestry but by and large it has proven to be false for most. Although I heard the claim made once or twice when I was real young I never paid any attention to the claims and thought they were the same lies that most Americans tell about being part Indian. In fact, I was trying to identify my African ancestry and wasn't thinking about anything else which is really ironic because I got nada from these tests.

Anyway, after politely confronting the family elders with my genetic evidence they opened up and revealed information that suggests that my mother's line probably descended from the Natchez Indians or at least what was left of them after their final war with the French.

I am very interested in learning about all of my ancestry whether Black, Native Indian or Scandinavian so I am appreciative of any information.

[rivergirl]

Hi CWF,

Have you joined the I1a Haplogroup Project.

Also you can upload your results to ysearch, where you can compare your results to others. You may be able to find an area of origin, other closely associated surnames etc...

And also upload your mtDNA to mitosearch. Join a mtDNA Haplogroup Project and a regional project if one is applicable.

These are all ways of increasing your matches, and maybe finding more out about your ancestry.

But of course you may have done these already.

[tomcat]

Hi all.

I am a little bit new here but I am puzzled by all the strong reactions to anything Viking or Scandinavian. A few months ago I was surprised by my DNA test results that revealed that I am I1a-N. I am Black and was somewhat aware that my father's line probably had white/european ancestry. I just never considered the possibility that it could be Scandinavian. I've been scouring through all the posts about I1a, Scandinavian and Viking topics and have come to realize that they tend to be really controversial. Any thoughts on why??

I received an even bigger surprise when I got my mtdna results back but that's another story.

Thanks.

What a wonderful surprise - Norse, Native and Black!

[CWF]

Hi CWF,

Have you joined the I1a Haplogroup Project.

Also you can upload your results to ysearch, where you can compare your results to others. You may be able to find an area of origin, other closely associated surnames etc...

And also upload your mtDNA to mitosearch. Join a mtDNA Haplogroup Project and a regional project if one is applicable.

These are all ways of increasing your matches, and maybe finding more out about your ancestry.

But of course you may have done these already.

Yes, I have Rivergirl. The I1a project has been especially helpful. I've also added my search ID to my signature line. Thanks.

[CWF]

What a wonderful surprise - Norse, Native and Black!

Yeah. I have to admit I'm kinda tickled at the oddity of it all. I feel close to everyone.

[Eki]

Yeah. I have to admit I'm kinda tickled at the oddity of it all. I feel close to everyone.

Have you tested your autosomal DNA? It could be interesting to see how that much diversity shows up on the map. You could have native matches at least on 4 continents (Europe, Africa, Asia and the Americas).

[no1kingfisher]

I have just recieved my Y DNA results and they tell me I am Haplogroup Ia1 The result is below. I assume that this means my male genes are mainly Nordic

Location 19a 19b 385a 385b 388 389I 389II 390 391 392 393 426 437 438 439 441 442
Value 14 - 14 15 14 12 28 23 10 11 14 11 16 9 11 17 17
Location 444 445 446 447 448 449 452 454 455 456 458 459a 459b 460 461 462 463
Value 13 11 13 23 20 29 31 11 8 15 15 8 9 10 11 12 21
Location 464a 464b 464c 464d 464e 464f GGAAT1
B07 YCAIIa YCAIIb Y-GATAA10
635 Y-GATAH4.1
Value 11 14 14 16 - - 11 19 21 15 21


My mitrochondrial DNA was Haplogroup T

G G G C C C T T C

Can anyone tell me what I should be doing in this forum from here on in?

Thanks Alan

[derinos]

Forward:advice from rivergirl

I have just recieved my Y DNA results and they tell me I am Haplogroup Ia1 The result is below. I assume that this means my male genes are mainly Nordic

Location 19a 19b 385a 385b 388 389I 389II 390 391 392 393 426 437 438 439 441 442
Value 14 - 14 15 14 12 28 23 10 11 14 11 16 9 11 17 17
Location 444 445 446 447 448 449 452 454 455 456 458 459a 459b 460 461 462 463
Value 13 11 13 23 20 29 31 11 8 15 15 8 9 10 11 12 21
Location 464a 464b 464c 464d 464e 464f GGAAT1
B07 YCAIIa YCAIIb Y-GATAA10
635 Y-GATAH4.1
Value 11 14 14 16 - - 11 19 21 15 21


My mitrochondrial DNA was Haplogroup T

G G G C C C T T C

Can anyone tell me what I should be doing in this forum from here on in?

Thanks Alan

Originally Posted by rivergirl
Hi CWF,

Have you joined the I1a Haplogroup Project.

Also you can upload your results to ysearch, where you can compare your results to others. You may be able to find an area of origin, other closely associated surnames etc...

And also upload your mtDNA to mitosearch. Join a mtDNA Haplogroup Project and a regional project if one is applicable.

These are all ways of increasing your matches, and maybe finding more out about your ancestry.

But of course you may have done these already.