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  • #16
    What were the Huns?

    Without trying to look at back messages on the subject of the Huns, I think they were a mixture of west and east. For example, the Y-DNA R1a component probably originated in the Ukrainian-Russian steppes and then moved eastward to the Altai region.

    The sketch of Attila that is often shown obviosly looks like he was a westerner. He even reminds me somewhat of my Dad - also R1a.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by PDHOTLEN
      Without trying to look at back messages on the subject of the Huns, I think they were a mixture of west and east. For example, the Y-DNA R1a component probably originated in the Ukrainian-Russian steppes and then moved eastward to the Altai region.

      The sketch of Attila that is often shown obviosly looks like he was a westerner. He even reminds me somewhat of my Dad - also R1a.
      Funny, you should mention that. For myself, I always think of the Huns as being much more East Asian than Caucasian in physical appearance. A European/Roman era description of the Huns is responsible for this, because it describes them to have had more Asian features. Uncomplimentary comments like the Huns having slits for eyes and big brown roundish faces/heads. Completely alien to anything these Romans had ever seen in their lives. So I am assuming that a large proportion, if not all of the Huns, whom these Romans encountered were of Mongoloid extraction and not European/Caucasian. The fact that some of the Huns had R1a doesnt mean they looked fully European either. There are large numbers of Central Asians who carry this gene, but look more Mongoloid/Asiatic.

      But then again, when I conjure up images of Attila himself, my imagination has been formed by those Hollywood movies and cartoons/sketches. And so, I picture a man who has a more European looking facial bone structure, but with slanted eyes, long jet black hair and sweeping moustache. Sort of a mix between East and west. I suppose that comes from watching all those Hollywood movies.
      Last edited by Hando; 6 February 2008, 09:22 PM.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Hando
        Funny, you should mention that. For myself, I always think of the Huns as being much more East Asian than Caucasian in physical appearance. A European/Roman era description of the Huns is responsible for this, because it describes them to have had more Asian features. Uncomplimentary comments like the Huns having slits for eyes and big brown roundish faces/heads. Completely alien to anything these Romans had ever seen in their lives. So I am assuming that a large proportion, if not all of the Huns, whom these Romans encountered were of Mongoloid extraction and not European/Caucasian. The fact that some of the Huns had R1a doesnt mean they looked fully European either. There are large numbers of Central Asians who carry this gene, but look more Mongoloid/Asiatic.

        But then again, when I conjure up images of Attila himself, my imagination has been formed by those Hollywood movies and cartoons/sketches. And so, I picture a man who has a more European looking facial bone structure, but with slanted eyes, long jet black hair and sweeping moustache. Sort of a mix between East and west. I suppose that comes from watching all those Hollywood movies.


        Originally posted by Hando
        I agree with you about Huns and Mongols being similar in genes. But were the Scythians and Sarmatians from the same gene pool as the Mongols and Huns? I always thought Scythians and Sarmatians were Indo-European...
        They were all mixed together, under one leader.

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huns

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attila_the_Hun

        The one about Huns also mentions Sarmations.
        The one about Attila mentions his Scythian fool, and Sarmations.

        quote from wikipedia:
        Attila's Huns incorporated groups of unrelated tributary peoples. In Europe, Alans, Gepids, Scirii, Rugians, Sarmatians, Slavs and Gothic tribes all united under the Hun family military elite. After Attila's death, some of his Huns eventually settled in Pannonia,
        Last edited by rainbow; 7 February 2008, 03:52 AM.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by rainbow
          They were all mixed together, under one leader.

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huns

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attila_the_Hun

          The one about Huns also mentions Sarmations.
          The one about Attila mentions his Scythian fool, and Sarmations.

          quote from wikipedia:
          Attila's Huns incorporated groups of unrelated tributary peoples. In Europe, Alans, Gepids, Scirii, Rugians, Sarmatians, Slavs and Gothic tribes all united under the Hun family military elite. After Attila's death, some of his Huns eventually settled in Pannonia,
          But what about the original Huns and Attila, before they subjugated the Goths, Slavs etc.

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