R1b Haplotype 35 In The British Isles

I did my Y-chromosome DNA test in the Genographic Project and came up with these results of the R1b Haplogroup. I believe I found a French root, and a Germanic/Scandinavian root. Can anyone help me find my origins?

393=13
19=15
391=11
439=11
389-1=13
389-2=16
388=12
390=23
426=12
385a=11
385b=12
392=13

[Bill Hurst]

I read yesterday on the DNA-Genealogy list that FTDNA will offer a deep subclade test for R1b today. So stay tuned. Keep in mind that the odds are you will only add a "c" to your present R1b1.

Bill Hurst

[M.O'Connor]

393-12
390-24
19--14
391-10
385a-11
385b-14
426-12
388-12
439-12
389.1-13
392-13
389.2-29
458-18
459a-9
459b-10

I'm classed R1B1 without an SNP test. Should i get one done? What could i learn?

SNP Results

Jim, you are the second person I've seen in a day with these SNP results. I have some questions. What test did you order from FTDNA? What test did they say they were giving you? Has anyone noticed that all the SNPs point toward R1b1c, except for SRY10831.2+, which I thought was an indicator for R1a?

Bill Hurst

Hi Bill..Back in late January 2006, I ordered FT's Backbone SNP test attempting to confirm my Rib classification. On February 1, I received notification as;
"However, as part of our R1a/R2 Deep Clade test, our lab is also testing for R1b1c, as well as R1b. Since this can give you a more refined result than the Backbone SNP test, we have switched your test to the Deep R1aR/2 Clade test."

I received my results last Friday, March 3.

As far as the significance of SRY10831.2 , I am unaware.

Hope this answers your question....Jim.

Haplotype 35 and 15

Genny...Thanks for the note...As close as I can figure it from reading posts and following the various url's, if your
DYS393=12 you are probably classified as a Hap 35 and if you are DYS393=13 you come in as a Hap15.
But all this is theorizing as pointed out by Mike Maddi and others.
As I said, my numbers are;
393=12
390=24
19 =14
391=11
385a=11
385b=16
426=12
388=12
439=11
389i=13
389ii=29
392=13

I've been re=classified as a R1b1c with positive marks ;
+M207,+M173,+M343,+P25,+M269,+SRY10831.2
Negative marks are; -M124,-M157,-M17,-M198,-M56, and -M64.2.

Go to ;

Http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/rea...5-09/1127768064

Http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb...ian-reivers.htm

These are referenced above in this thread and will lead you to others.
I wish you luck...Jim Kenny.

...forgot to say...

...sorry forgot to say I have the same results as Jim.
I asked for the Backbone SNP test and said they would give me the Deep R1a/R2 Clade test.

Same results.

I also have recently received my results from FtDNA and have been labeled R1b1c.

My paternal line comes from North Devon, back to the 1760's, yes I know its not exactly 10,000 years ago!

[Bill Hurst]

I've received the results of my SNP Deep test and I'm re-classified to R1b1c. The SNP 's are; M124-, M157-, M17-,M198-, M56-, M64.2-, M87- M173+, M207+, M269+, M343+, P25+, SRY10831.2+.
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Jim Kenny

Jim, you are the second person I've seen in a day with these SNP results. I have some questions. What test did you order from FTDNA? What test did they say they were giving you? Has anyone noticed that all the SNPs point toward R1b1c, except for SRY10831.2+, which I thought was an indicator for R1a?

Bill Hurst

[genny]

HT 35 &amp; HT 15

Jim Kenny

Are you HT 35 or HT 15 and how can you tell?

Further to R1b Haplotype 35 in the British Isles

I've received the results of my SNP Deep test and I'm re-classified to R1b1c. The SNP 's are; M124-, M157-, M17-,M198-, M56-, M64.2-, M87- M173+, M207+, M269+, M343+, P25+, SRY10831.2+.
I've been reading about this HT 35 & HT 15 in the faint hope that I might find a match somewhere for this DNA I'm carrying around and even with a blood type of B+ I can't make a reach to the Highlands.
My family have been entrenched in eastern county Galway for the past 350 years.
I am waiting for FT to complete the Mtdna side of my picture and then I'm going to zip up my pocket where I keep the loose change and watch the world for awhile.

Jim Kenny

[M.O'Connor]

I brought up the question before of 393=12 and Hadrian's Wall.

It was suggested to me that (maybe) there was simply a mutation change from 13 to 12 which might have happened in my generation, or the 4 generations before me, leading to Ireland.

Unless I find some O'Connor People in ireland with 393=12 the question hangs in the air.

[MMaddi]

Links for ht 35 discussion

some people might have just ran to the Hills. not everyone was a Gunning knight..

I too have the 393=12 and was suggested to be R1B

(where did you read the stuff about Haplotype 35?)

Here are a couple of links where the theory about R1b ht 35 is discussed:

http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/GENEALOGY-DNA/2005-09/1127768064

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegalstrongs/dnasarmatian-reivers.htm

Of course, any theorizing about ht 35 (which is normally found in Iraq, Turkey and parts of the Balkans) accounting for R1b's in the British Isles is merely that, theorizing. But it certainly is interesting and worth looking into.

Mike

[M.O'Connor]

some people might have just ran to the Hills. not everyone was a Gunning knight..

I too have the 393=12 and was suggested to be R1B

(where did you read the stuff about Haplotype 35?)

393....=12
390.....=24
19 .....=14
391.....=10
385a...=11
426.....=12
388.....=12
439.....=12
389-1..=13
392.....=13
389-2..=29
458.....=18
459a.....=9
459b...=10
455.....=11
454.....=11
447.....=25
437....=15
448.....=19
464a...=15
464b...=15
464c..=16
464d..=16

24 at marker 390 - Aliots in Normandy - Aliotos in Sicily

R1b Ancient Spanish origins - Basques (Ancient Iberians)
Celt Iberian

The Irish Q Celtic - 24 at marker 390

Sicilian R1b3 - 24 at marker 390

Are the Basques both the first natives of Ireland and of Sicily?

Is this why we see biological similarities between Irish and Sicilians - due to our ancient Spanish origins?

Or could be to be due the Scots-Irish Elliott Clan going to Sicily?

Aliots in Normandy - and Aliotos in Sicily - descended from the Norman knights who followed Robert Guiscard to Italy.

The Elliotts - in Sicily

Dear Jvance_Elliott,

It was good to see your strs.

My r1b strs is below:

DYS393 = 13
DYS19/394 = 14
DYS391 = 11
DYS439 = 12
DYS389-1 = 13
DYS389-2 = 16/29
DYS388 = 12
DYS390 = 24
DYS426 = 12
DYS385a = 11
DYS385b = 14
DYS392 = 13

It is very close to mine. We are Celtic cousins

Cheers,
John