ABDNA Test Results...

[Maria_W]

Tom,

I can only speak for myself as far as the African ancestry. It was noted on my mothers ABDNA test in the 4% range. I was surprised (but not upset) because I have no known African heritage...
My DeCodeMe test results come in at 2% on atDNA and 4% on xDNA.
If it is correct, looks like I might have some African heritage after all. I think it great!

Maria

[Maria_W]

No idea...

Oh, I have no idea why it didn't show up on my ABDNA result...but on my DeCodeMe test results..

Maria

[Maria_W]

Test results ...

Just talked to ABDNA and they sent my oldest daughter and grandaughters results out on Friday 25th... Should be here any day. Will post them as soon as I let my daughter know results... I didn't expect them for another 3 weeks at least...

Maria

[Maria_W]

Alot of mixed blood...

I just got my daughters and grandaughters results back..

Daughter: 96% Indo European, 4% Sub-Saharan African.
Grandaughter: 91% Indo European, 9% Native American.

Here is the whole breakdown of 4 generations:
1. Generation:
Father (Eugene):
100% Indo European

Mother (Audrey):
89% Indo European,
7% Native American,
4% SubSaharran African.

2. Generation
Me (Maria):
90% Indo European,
10% Native American

Husband (Randy):
98% Indo European
2% East Asian

3. Generation
Daughter (Crystal)
84% Indo European
2% East Asian
14% Native American

Daughter (Sheryl)
96% Indo European
4% Sub Saharran African

4. Generation
Grandaughter (Dana)
91% Indo European
9% Native American

We span all 4 ethnic groups here. We are mixed blood for sure

[Maria_W]

4 generations tested and even more confused!!!!

My intial reaction has sorta settle down now I feel more confused. O.k. according to ABDNA between 7 family members we now touch on all four different continents.... How far back are they going? Is this within the last 400-500 years...Is this 1000's of years old? But what are the test scores saying. Where is the Asian and African comming from...I would love to have the heritage I just can't explain the scores in a genealogy time frame. Are they even correct?

7 family members had European scores :100%, 98%,96%, 90%, 89% 86%.
4 family members had Native American :14%, 10%, 9%, 7%.
2 family members had Asian :2%, 2%.
2 family members had African: 4%, 4%.

Also remember these are estimates, they are less likely but doesn't mean impossible.

Maria

[Maria_W]

This much I know...

I am European, there is no doubt about that, I come from England, Wales, Ireland, Scotland, France and Germany. My maiden name is Shook, which is German. It use to be Schunck and Shunk. I can trace my family back for hundreds of years in Europe...I can also trace my family from Europe into the US. starting in the early 1600's. They came to Massachsuetts, Maine, Delaware, Pennysylvania and Virginia.
I also have Amerindian heritage there is no doubt about that either. With the help of tribal historian Bill Deyo, I trace my Potowomecke heritage back to the 1600's in Virginia where my 8th g. grandfather, Rev John William Waugh, who was a Anglican minister, married a Amerindian women, who was the great granddaughter of Japsaw(12th g.grandfather) Weroance of Passapatanzy) and Paupauwiske, who lived in the Black Swamp. What is now located in Stafford and King George County. There are alot of my ancestors from this line who are not named. They may be other lines that I have not found yet. There are alot of missing spouses. But this was known way before ABDNA test....


I have absolutely no knowledge of African or Asian heritage. It doesn't mean its not there, I just can't find any proof.

Maria

[GregKiroKHR1bL1]

We do not know everything about the origins of markers. I think some of them could be from the "Out of Africa" experiences. For example, when I look at my mtDNA, C8657T has been found in several L1c people in Africa and in one U5b2 person so that marker is now classified as post L1c1d C8657T (U5b2). T16224C has been found in some American L1c people and in a L2c individual and a L6 individual as well as many K people, K: T16224C (L1c, L2c, L6). This agrees with an earlier blog on hot spots and 16519C. Yet, I doubt if C8657T and T16224C are hot spots. It is my guess that there will be some overlap in markers due to mutation rates. Of course with American autosomes, many people have reported and/or documented amalgamation of the world's people from the 18th and 19th century. Only time will tell Maria

I am European, there is no doubt about that, I come from England, Wales, Ireland, Scotland, France and Germany. My maiden name is Shook, which is German. It use to be Schunck and Shunk. I can trace my family back for hundreds of years in Europe...I can also trace my family from Europe into the US. starting in the early 1600's. They came to Massachsuetts, Maine, Delaware, Pennysylvania and Virginia.
I also have Amerindian heritage there is no doubt about that either. With the help of tribal historian Bill Deyo, I trace my Potowomecke heritage back to the 1600's in Virginia where my 8th g. grandfather, Rev John William Waugh, who was a Anglican minister, married a Amerindian women, who was the great granddaughter of Japsaw(12th g.grandfather) Weroance of Passapatanzy) and Paupauwiske, who lived in the Black Swamp. What is now located in Stafford and King George County. There are alot of my ancestors from this line who are not named. They may be other lines that I have not found yet. There are alot of missing spouses. But this was known way before ABDNA test....


I have absolutely no knowledge of African or Asian heritage. It doesn't mean its not there, I just can't find any proof.

Maria

[Maria_W]

Results may be incorrect....

Going back through ABDNA own website I went to the FAQ section and question 10 makes me think that my oldest daughters African results are incorrect(Firs off, I do not have an issue with African heritage, if its correct but nothing I have found in my genealogy research for the last 408 years leads me to beleive that the African score is real and could be well within the noise range) It talks about taking your parents results and comparing them to you.
My husbands results were: European 98% and 2% East Asian(hes very strongly German. Maybe theres where the Asian came in or maybe its noise too)
My results were: European 90% and 10% Amerindian(10% and above is considered valid)
No where does it state African.. It says European, East Asian and Amerindian.
She can have as much as 9% Amerindian. Its hard to beleive that my mother 7%, myself 10%, my youngest daughter 14%, and grandaughter 9% all have Amerindian heritage, but the mother of above grandchild has none...
Same issue with my moms 4% African. Where is it from. Census all say white!

Maria

[Maria_W]

Frustrating results....

I had a hard time explaining to my daughter that according to ABDNA she had 0% for Native American.even though she had Amerindian heritage traced by to the 1600's ABDNA has her mle at 0%. What! Oh, they say that they could have made a mistake and she's as much as 9%. So you either are or you arent! So each one of us is a different percentage. Lets see 9% =1/11!, 7%= 1/14.5 and 14%= 1/7work out. How are we getting these freaking wierd percentages.

Maria

[DKF]

I had a hard time explaining to my daughter that according to ABDNA she had 0% for Native American.even though she had Amerindian heritage traced by to the 1600's ABDNA has her mle at 0%. What! Oh, they say that they could have made a mistake and she's as much as 9%. So you either are or you arent! So each one of us is a different percentage. Lets see 9% =1/11!, 7%= 1/14.5 and 14%= 1/7work out. How are we getting these freaking wierd percentages.

Maria

Something to consider is that you have one documented Indigenous American ancestor, who was born in the mid to early 1600s. Doing the math shows that you have about 10,000 ancestors from that time. This means that the autosomal contribution from any one of them is about .0001.

None of the percentages in your posting make any sense from a genetic perspective, other than the obvious fact that few of us know the heritage of each and every one of our Colonial American ancestors, and so one could speculate about the contibution from undocumented NA ancestors. However Greeks typically turn up 10% NA, and Pakistanis 30% or so hence it is impossible to say much of anything. One thing is patently evident, and that is that the chances of 14% or whatever coming from .0001% of your autosomal structure is vanishingly small. You would have to have inherited phenomenally more of your genomic heritage from your NA ancestor than any other. There is no basis for believing that this is possible, and as a matter of fact with processes like cross-over and linkage disequilibrium and so on the best one might expect is a few haploblocks out of millions. The chances of a test with 176 markers finding what is there is remote (forget about 21 markers - it is not even on the radar).

I think that you are going to have to seek other explanations of the dataset which you have for your family - certainly looking backwards to the 1600s is not where the facts would take you. It is in the nature of the test itself wherein resides the answer. Perhaps Tomcat or others will weight in here to support or refute my assessment.

[Maria_W]

Frustrated!

Maybe this is why so many people steer clear of percentage tests. I am not sure where to go now!

Maria

[Maria_W]

Whats real?

What about DeCodeMe results....I am 87-92 European, 6-9 Asian, and 2-4 African. Is that even correct?

Maria

[Maria_W]

Confused....

DKF,
Well I know I have the Potowomecke ancestry that isn't going to change! I have to say ABDNA didn't force me to take the tests.... I did that freely...

Maria

[DKF]

What about DeCodeMe results....I am 87-92 European, 6-9 Asian, and 2-4 African. Is that even correct?

Maria

Alas, if you or I had taken 23ANDme we would have likely obtained zero on East Asian and African (since our heritage seems to be fairly similar). Thus, I see everything as being "under construction". The good news is that improvements are on the way - as well as clarification. I will keep my ear to the ground, and hopefully others can do the same, and if anything comes along that provides clear cut valid and reliable information on autosomal ancestral population structure one of us will find it in the net. Until then, we wait - not very encouraging is it.

I have paid oodles for both ABDNA and Tribes results for myself and family members and I simply cannot trust that the results are valid. We have to live for the moment with a set of very "imperfect tools" that may well botch up the job, but if deCODEme begins to devote more time to the ancestry components inherent in their testing then we are off to the races (in a manner of speaking).

[Maria_W]

Expensive experiment..

DKF,
It is strange that my mother has 7%, me 10%, daughter 0%, daughter 14% and grandaughter 9%. They are all over the place arent they..Maybe this is an expensive experiment! Don't know if I want to put anymore money into testing my other family members.

Maria