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  • Y-DNA J1 with DYS388=13

    J1 with DYS388=13 is a distinctive type of Y-DNA J1.

    Everyone who is J1 with DYS388=13 has a common ancestor, a man who lived somewhere around 10,000 to 15,000 years ago in the Near East.

    As with the distinguishing markers of other haplogroups, the marker DYS388=13 which distinguishes this sub-group has no other significance in itself.

    J1 with DYS388=13 is associated with a geographic area, but not with any particular ethnic group.

    J1 with DYS388=13 apparently originated in eastern Anatolia in what is now Turkey, or some adjacent area. That information is from the academic paper at evolutsioon.ut.ee/publications/Cinnioglu2004.pdf , and the conference presentation summary at http://www.linguistics.ucsb.edu/proj...stractKing.pdf .

    Being far older than any current religion or language, J1 with DYS388=13 is found among various ethnic groups in that region.

    However, it has not been found among Arabs, except for the Palestinian and Bedouin cases noted below. (Or "it has not been found among any Arabs" if you do not consider Palestinians and Bedouins to be Arabs. Please start a separate thread in the appropriate forum if you wish to discuss that, as I plead ignorance.)

    Also, it has not been found among Jewish populations, except for the descendants of some 1st century A.D. converts to Judaism (Kurdish Jews).

    Here is a summary of where J1 w/DYS388=13 has been found.

    Academic researchers have found J1 with DYS388=13 in the following places:

    Northeast Turkey (4 cases)
    Eastern Turkey (2 cases)
    Central Turkey (1 case)
    Istanbul, Turkey (1 case)
    Sea of Marmara area, Turkey (1 case)
    Ploiesti, Romania (1 case)
    Southern Pakistan (Sindhi) (1 case)
    Bedouin from the Negev (2 cases)
    Palestinian Arab (1 case)
    Kurdish Muslims and Jews originally from northern Iraq (5 cases)
    Azerbaijan (ethnic Azeri) (1 case)
    Russian Republic of Dagestan in the Caucasus (ethnic Lezgi or Lezginian) (7 cases)

    For details of the academic cases, see the Y-Haplogroup J Database at http://www.m410.net/yjdb/view.php?option=M267, except for the Dagestan cases, which have not yet been posted on that site. You can contact me at [email protected] to obtain an Excel file which includes the Dagestan cases.

    Personal researchers contributing their results to Ysearch.org have revealed about 23 more cases, some of which are shown as J or Unknown but are probably J1. Those personal researchers give these places of origin:

    Sivas, Turkey
    Elazig, Turkey
    Trabzon, Turkey (an ethnic Greek)
    Pontus (NE coast of Turkey) (an ethnic Greek)
    Semdinli, Turkey (Assyrian)
    Kalymnos, a Greek island off the coast of Turkey
    Greece
    Germany (2 unrelated cases)
    Bavaria, Germany
    Southern Ukraine
    Sicily (2 cases)
    Syria (Byzantine Christian)
    Poland (2 unrelated cases)
    Slovakia, near the Polish border
    Five cases with no geographical information

    The presence of J1 w/DYS388=13 in Greece probably reflects movement among Greek colonies during the Greek empire, with one 20th century displacement.

    The rare presence of this type elsewhere in Europe is due to movements by individuals or small populations for which I don't have an explanation. Calculation of Most Recent Common Ancestor indicates that all the European cases north of Greece left Anatolia a very long time ago, with the most recent being the Ploiesti, Romania, case (950 years ago), and the oldest being one German and one Polish case (over 3,500 years ago).

    Jim
    J1 w/DYS388=13
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