Hey J Man!

[Cinda]

Hi J Man,
I'm not sure if you kept following my earlier thread, but I wanted to ask you a question.
We are both u5a, right?
Do you have any matches?
How long has your mtDNA been in the database?
The reason I ask is that mine has been in the FTDNA database for at LEAST 3 yrs & I have not had ONE match!
Is that uncommon? No matches, I mean.
Is clan Ursula a RARE clan?
I guess I'm just so tired of no matches on either side.
Well, I have ONE 25 marker match, genetic distance of 1, with my J2 YDNA.
And that was 4 yrs ago! How many YDNA matches do you have?
Bennett did say my haplotype (J2) was very rare. I didn't ask him what was up with my mtDNA.
I'm sorry to be so nosy.
Thanks!
Cinda

[J Man]

Hi J Man,
I'm not sure if you kept following my earlier thread, but I wanted to ask you a question.
We are both u5a, right?
Do you have any matches?
How long has your mtDNA been in the database?
The reason I ask is that mine has been in the FTDNA database for at LEAST 3 yrs & I have not had ONE match!
Is that uncommon? No matches, I mean.
Is clan Ursula a RARE clan?
I guess I'm just so tired of no matches on either side.
Well, I have ONE 25 marker match, genetic distance of 1, with my J2 YDNA.
And that was 4 yrs ago! How many YDNA matches do you have?
Bennett did say my haplotype (J2) was very rare. I didn't ask him what was up with my mtDNA.
I'm sorry to be so nosy.
Thanks!
Cinda

Hi Cinda,

No problem don't worry you aren't being nosy. Yes on my mtDNA side I am in haplogroup U5a and like you my mtDNA has been in the FTDNA database for about 3 years and I also have no matches at all! I have only had HVR1 done though. On mitosearch I have 2 matches with a mutational difference of one. They are from Norway and Ireland. I seems to me that U5a seems to be rarer than U5a1 and U5a1a.

With my Y-DNA I have had it in the FTDNA database for even longer than my mtDNA and my matches have progressed very slowly. I only have 3 exact 12 marker matches and no 25 marker matches! My haplotype also seems to be pretty rare. Hopefully someday more people from Southeastern Europe, the Caucasus and the Middle East will be tested so we can find out more detailed information on our J2 ancestors.

[Cinda]

Thans J Man thanks for the info!
It's so frustrating! Like I said in my other post, my husband had to dragged into this. And he not only gets tons of matches, he found his country of origin! Ireland. He's R1b1c. He thanks me everyday for that.
He matched with a man in Ireland & now they talk all the time & we are going to visit them in 2009!
And here WE sit not knowing much at all.
Figures!
Cinda

[J Man]

Thans J Man thanks for the info!
It's so frustrating! Like I said in my other post, my husband had to dragged into this. And he not only gets tons of matches, he found his country of origin! Ireland. He's R1b1c. He thanks me everyday for that.
He matched with a man in Ireland & now they talk all the time & we are going to visit them in 2009!
And here WE sit not knowing much at all.
Figures!
Cinda

No problem Cinda. Wow that is great news to hear about yuor husband and hid matches. I believe that one day we will get some more good matches and info about our J2 ancestors. My paternal line I know is from Calabria in Southern Italy and J2 is quite common there. I would just like some close matches haha! Good things come to those who waite though.

[Cinda]

Hey J Man,
How great for you to know where your J2 paternal line hails from!
That is so cool!
My problem is that my mom & dad divorced when I was 9 months old & my dad & I didn't meet until I was 24. He died soon after. THANK GOODNESS his brother, my uncle Jerry, was kind enough to give me a sample!
I called him out of the blue, (I didn't meet him when I finally met my dad) told him who I was, & asked for a DNA sample. He was VERY nice about it. He didn't like the results, though! That was back in the day before FTDNA made the distinction between J1 & J2. He's a nice man, but very predudiced!
It's funny though, J Man. In my REO page my closet match is ITALY! Maybe I'm SICILIAN like you, huh? After all, it was settled by J2's, among others!
My Y line has wandered the hills & backwoods of Kentucky for 150 years!
Maybe they were Gypsies. I do have a match with a man in Romania!
Cinda

[Jim Honeychuck]

Hey J Man,

Maybe they were Gypsies. I do have a match with a man in Romania!
Cinda

Cinda,

J1 and J2 don't occur among Gypsies/Romany, as they did not originate in the Middle East.

There is of course lots of Italian DNA in Romania.

Jim
J1

[J Man]

Hey J Man,
How great for you to know where your J2 paternal line hails from!
That is so cool!
My problem is that my mom & dad divorced when I was 9 months old & my dad & I didn't meet until I was 24. He died soon after. THANK GOODNESS his brother, my uncle Jerry, was kind enough to give me a sample!
I called him out of the blue, (I didn't meet him when I finally met my dad) told him who I was, & asked for a DNA sample. He was VERY nice about it. He didn't like the results, though! That was back in the day before FTDNA made the distinction between J1 & J2. He's a nice man, but very predudiced!
It's funny though, J Man. In my REO page my closet match is ITALY! Maybe I'm SICILIAN like you, huh? After all, it was settled by J2's, among others!
My Y line has wandered the hills & backwoods of Kentucky for 150 years!
Maybe they were Gypsies. I do have a match with a man in Romania!
Cinda

Well I hope you will be able to find out which country your ancestor originally came from as well. Since your line has been in Kentucky for a long time I am thinking probably Ireland or England.

I don't want to sound rude but my Italian ancestry is Calabrese from Calabria and not Sicilian from Sicily. Calabria is the toe on the boot of Italy.

[J Man]

Cinda,

J1 and J2 don't occur among Gypsies/Romany, as they did not originate in the Middle East.

There is of course lots of Italian DNA in Romania.

Jim
J1

J2 has actually been found at 20% among the Sinti people. They were the Gypsie people of Central Europe.

[Cinda]

Hi Jim,
Are you & J Man the same people?
Anyway, The match I had with the man in Romania was in my REO info, so I wasn't sure how to treat that. I know Romania was settled with people from Rome. Hey, Don't some gypsies from India have J2 DNA or is it all G?
Cinda

[J Man]

Hi Jim,
Are you & J Man the same people?
Anyway, The match I had with the man in Romania was in my REO info, so I wasn't sure how to treat that. I know Romania was settled with people from Rome. Hey, Don't some gypsies from India have J2 DNA or is it all G?
Cinda

Jim and I are not the same people no. lol

[Cinda]

Hey J man & Jim,
I now realize you guys are 2 different people. I wasn't sure there for a moment.
Sorry, J Man about the mixup in assuming you were Scillian. I think I'm spelling that wrong. Anyway, I took a trip to Italy 2 years ago. Didn't get everywhere, but did get to visit Rome, Assisi, Naples, Sorrento, & Pompeii.
It was great! I knew I was J2 when I went & wondered, could my original male ancestor come from here? It was exciting to speculate.
Cinda

[29149]

Italian DNA in Romania and vice-versa

Hi Jim,
Are you & J Man the same people?
Anyway, The match I had with the man in Romania was in my REO info, so I wasn't sure how to treat that. I know Romania was settled with people from Rome. Hey, Don't some gypsies from India have J2 DNA or is it all G?
Cinda

Hi Cinda,

I was born in Romania where I lived until 1993. The Italian DNA in Romania comes from at least two sources:

1. If one is to believe that Romanians today have roots in the Roman Empire's colonists settled in the Roman province of Dacia after 106 AD, it is likely that some came from present Italy. Many more, however, came from all over the Empire, as far as Syria. Therefore, the J2 presence is understandable.

2. In modern times, the Habsburgs colonized the region of Banat, conquered from the Ottoman Turks in 1718 and susequently settled during at least three major waves the pretty much deserted marshland area with people from Germany, Austria, France, Italy and Spain. Most colonists were settled in the fertile land West and North of Timisoara. Unlike the French colonists (from Alsace-Lorraine), the Italians, living among a majority of German speaking population for a few centuries, gradually lost their language in favour of German. Only names maintained the Italian identity, in some cases. The language was neverthless preserved by a few families. Many more remained conscious of their origins (most Italians came from the NE Italy, Tirol-Venice-Lombardia). Today, the last official census from 2001 indicate over 3,300 Italian speakers (according to mother tongue, as many more Romanians have learned it due to ease of acqusition and work opportunities in Italy) in Romania. I presume Italians are slowly reclaiming their ancestry, but many more are now settling in Romania through marriages and the opening of businesses, mostly in Banat and Bucharest. Italian and Romanian are very close and there's almost no need for translation, at least for basic expressions and vocabulary. Conversely, there are hundreds of thousands of Romanian immigrants in Italy, some legally, some semi-legally. Although the latter is a very recent phenomenon (post-1989), there will be quite a lot of Romanian DNA infusion into Italy, as well. ;-)

[J Man]

Hey J man & Jim,
I now realize you guys are 2 different people. I wasn't sure there for a moment.
Sorry, J Man about the mixup in assuming you were Scillian. I think I'm spelling that wrong. Anyway, I took a trip to Italy 2 years ago. Didn't get everywhere, but did get to visit Rome, Assisi, Naples, Sorrento, & Pompeii.
It was great! I knew I was J2 when I went & wondered, could my original male ancestor come from here? It was exciting to speculate.
Cinda

That's ok, it's all good. Sicily and Calabria are actually pretty close to each other both geographically and genetically.

You know I think that there is a good chance that your original male ancestor may have come from Italy. He could have easily made it to Britain with the Roman army. I think that a lot of the J2 that we see among Brits today can be attributed to the Romans.

[Cinda]

Hi Dan,
Boy, you sure know your history!
I really appreciate it.
I guess all I can do is WAIT. I dream that one day I will get an important match that will shed some light on where my original J2f ancestor(s) came from.
Hey Dan, do you know anything about J2f that you can tell me in laymans terms? I've TRIED to make sense of all the papers on the subject, but I just get confused.
Don't go to any trouble for me, cause I see you are J1.
FTDNA has ran all the deep sub-clade tests they can for me & this is what they came up with. What I'd like to know is where the highest concentration of J2f is, so maybe I can start a "paper" search. If I don't get a significant match soon, I probally will try a genealogist & arm him/her with all my DNA results & see what they can come up with.
BTW, I was BURNED by a lady who specializes in J. I met her early in my search. Alot of people quote her to this day on this board. She won't communicate with me & still has ALOT of my important paperwork she won't return. She was acting as a genealogist for me. SHE asked ME if I wanted her to help me in my search. She just would never communicate with me & it looked like the job would NEVER be finished. I paid her alot of money (for me) to get started. I will be a lady & not mention her name. She knows what she did! So, J people beware!
Thanks,
Cinda

[Jim Honeychuck]

Cinda,

This paper has some percentages of J2f by country. If you can't find the paper on line, I can extract them for you, but not this minute.

Y chromosomal haplogroup J as a signature of the post-neolithic colonization of Europe

Di Giacomo et al.

Hum Genet (2004) 115: 357–371 DOI 10.1007/s00439-004-1168-9

Jim