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  • J Man
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    The groups that form the populations of EURO DNA 2.0 seem to correspond quite well with what is also known about European Y-haplogroups and mtDNA-haplogroups. There seems to be different clines that seperate the North of Europe from the Southeast and there are also east-west differences. Iberia forms it's own group as do the Basques. The other main cluster is found in Northeastern Europe and especially in Finland although some Finns have high Continental European scores as well.

    If anyone is interested here is a link to the paper that the test is based on:
    http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/art...?artid=1852743

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  • J Man
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    Also I am wondering about where the Southeastern European ancestral group originated from? Personally I think the Near East or Anatolia originally and initially spread with Neolithic agriculturalists. This would make good sense to me.

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  • J Man
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    I am wondering about where in Europe the Continental European type of ancestry originated? It is common among all people who are of Northern European descent it seems from Ireland all the way to Poland. Is it from the ancient Mesolithic or Paleolithic inhabitants of Northern Europe I wonder? That would make sense to me.

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  • J Man
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    Originally posted by rainbow
    Thanks J Man. Yes, that quarter does match it.
    And it looks to me like your Iberian and Basque goes towards your half Scots-Irish heritage.
    I don't qualify for the Euro 2.0, but my DNATribes gave me lots of Iberian matches and I know that most of my ancestors came here from the British Isles too. So seeing your results convinces me even more that my DNATribes BGA matches to Iberian equals British Isles. And my DNATribes Europa top match is Portuguese. If I was adopted and didn't know all that I know and only knew my DNATribes results I would have taken up Portuguese by now, and maybe moved to Brazil.

    Yes form the way things look right now with autosomal testing I am inclined to agree with you Rainbow. It makes sense that Brits register with some Iberian ancestry given the current theories about the repopulation of Europe.

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  • rainbow
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    Thanks J Man. Yes, that quarter does match it.
    And it looks to me like your Iberian and Basque goes towards your half Scots-Irish heritage.
    I don't qualify for the Euro 2.0, but my DNATribes gave me lots of Iberian matches and I know that most of my ancestors came here from the British Isles too. So seeing your results convinces me even more that my DNATribes BGA matches to Iberian equals British Isles. And my DNATribes Europa top match is Portuguese. If I was adopted and didn't know all that I know and only knew my DNATribes results I would have taken up Portuguese by now, and maybe moved to Brazil.
    Last edited by rainbow; 23 April 2008, 01:51 PM.

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  • J Man
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    This test also worked very well in showing that I am about a quarter Southeastern European which goes along very well with my paternal grandfather's Calabrese Southern Italian background.

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  • jvance_elliott
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    Iberian Brits

    One good thing about being of English and Scots-Irish descent and being nearly one quarter "Iberian" or "Basque" is that you know you had a lot of ancestors who were in Britain before anybody else. Apparently, the most abundant archaelogical evidence for a connection between Iberia and the British Isles dates back to the Beaker people, the Megalithic period, and such like - all pre-Celtic, at any rate. It is perhaps time for me to abandon my Viking and/or Roman auxiliary fantasies, and embrace my inner Stonehenge builder.

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  • J Man
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    Originally posted by burto
    What I'd like to know is what's a good detectable amount and how does someone who's half British determine whether, say an unknown Grandparent, was actually Spanish?

    I would say that a good detectable amount would be an Iberian score that is in the teens.

    The only way to determine if an unknown grandparent was actually SPanish i guess would be to take the test or try and continue paper trail research.

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  • burto
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    What I'd like to know is what's a good detectable amount and how does someone who's half British determine whether, say an unknown Grandparent, was actually Spanish?

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  • J Man
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    I remember the president of DNA Testing at DNA Consultants Donald N. Yates said that many people who are of or have British ancestry register with a good detectable amount of Iberian DNA on the EURO-DNA 2.0 test as well. I know that a lot of people do not like Yates but it is still interesting none the less.

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  • rainbow
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    Originally posted by J Man
    The percentages of Iberian that are being found in people who are of British/Irish descent may be ancestry that is originally from the Iberian peninsula that got to the British Isles/Ireland after the last big ice age. It makes good sense to me anyways.
    It does to me too. I have more multiple matches to Portugal than to anywhere else and my ancestry is mostly from the British Isles.
    A good book to read is : Saxons, Vikings, and Celts: The Genetic Roots of Britain and Ireland by Bryan Sykes.
    He concluded that the majority of British Isles genes came from the ancient (Celtic) Iberians. In the back of the book are tables of various ydna and mtdna halpogroups found in the British Isles with percentages for various regions.
    Last edited by rainbow; 19 April 2008, 08:09 PM.

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  • J Man
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    The percentages of Iberian that are being found in people who are of British/Irish descent may be ancestry that is originally from the Iberian peninsula that got to the British Isles/Ireland after the last big ice age. It makes good sense to me anyways.

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  • jvance_elliott
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    Euro DNA 2.0 vs. DNA Tribes

    Originally posted by tomcat
    These Europa results agree with the Euro 2.0 results to a degree. They give opposite readings on (consolidated) Iberian ancestry - Euro 2.0 gave you more than 20% Iberian but Europa puts your Iberian cluster at the bottom of the list. The two tests seem to agree that you are more southeast than northeast European - if you add-up Europa scores for Ashkenazi, Greek and Balkan and compare to totals for Polish, Russian and Finno-Ugrian. But you would have to total Italian, Norse, Celtic and Germanic (and steal a bit from Poland) to approximate your Euro 2.0 continental European percentage for a reading on your known ancestry.

    You could also compare your World Region scores from the standard Tribes report to Euro 2.0 and Europa to see if there is any agreement among the three at that level.
    tomcat,

    My top World Region scores are as follows:

    Northwest European (0.33) --- 78.29
    Finno-Ugrian (0.45) --- 72.78
    Eastern European (0.36) --- 53.71
    Aegean (0.46) --- 47.41
    Mediterranean (0.27) --- 32.60
    Levantine (0.29) --- 23.33
    Mesopotamian (0.19) --- 10.01
    ...


    These accord more closely with the Euro DNA 2.0 scores - all except for the high Finno-Ugrian, which would seem to require a correspondingly high Northeastern European score on the ABDNA test. Ah, well...

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  • J Man
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    Well I just got my EURO-DNA 2.0 results in today and I am actually pleased with them. They match my paper trail ancestry quite well actually. I was expecting some more Northeastern European DNA but maybe I just did not inherit very much of it from my paternal grandmother.

    Here are my results:
    Continental European: 47.0%
    Southeastern European: 23.6%
    Iberian: 14.4%
    Northeastern European: 7.6%
    Basque: 5.6%

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  • tomcat
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    Originally posted by jvance_elliott
    ...
    Ashkenazi (0.52) --- 350.15
    Italian (0.41) --- 91.35
    Norse (0.37) --- 83.97
    Polish (0.41) --- 78.23
    Russian (0.42) --- 76.73
    Finno-Ugrian (0.43) --- 72.78
    Celtic (0.26) --- 58.25
    Germanic (0.34) --- 54.65
    Greek (0.41) --- 49.10
    Balkan (0.34) --- 47.15
    Spanish (0.22) --- 27.15
    Portuguese (0.15) --- 13.30
    Basque (0.13) --- 9.26

    ...
    These Europa results agree with the Euro 2.0 results to a degree. They give opposite readings on (consolidated) Iberian ancestry - Euro 2.0 gave you more than 20% Iberian but Europa puts your Iberian cluster at the bottom of the list. The two tests seem to agree that you are more southeast than northeast European - if you add-up Europa scores for Ashkenazi, Greek and Balkan and compare to totals for Polish, Russian and Finno-Ugrian. But you would have to total Italian, Norse, Celtic and Germanic (and steal a bit from Poland) to approximate your Euro 2.0 continental European percentage for a reading on your known ancestry.

    You could also compare your World Region scores from the standard Tribes report to Euro 2.0 and Europa to see if there is any agreement among the three at that level.

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