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  • #76
    I emailed DNAPrint yesterday and got a reply today about my Euro DNA 2.0 results. They said that my results qwill be completed and the cd made by March 31 and that they will be mailed to me in the first week of April. I hope they are honest this time.

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    • #77
      Originally posted by J Man
      I emailed DNAPrint yesterday and got a reply today about my Euro DNA 2.0 results. They said that my results qwill be completed and the cd made by March 31 and that they will be mailed to me in the first week of April. I hope they are honest this time.
      It seems to me that the testing method become obselete before you receive the testing result. Today I dont think I would order this test, I would save my money for the deCODEme. It has some more hundred thousand markers and a wide variaty of world populations.

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Noaide
        It seems to me that the testing method become obselete before you receive the testing result. Today I dont think I would order this test, I would save my money for the deCODEme. It has some more hundred thousand markers and a wide variaty of world populations.
        What are the available world populations? I can't find them on the deCodeme site.

        Jim

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        • #79
          Originally posted by Noaide
          It seems to me that the testing method become obselete before you receive the testing result. Today I dont think I would order this test, I would save my money for the deCODEme. It has some more hundred thousand markers and a wide variaty of world populations.
          The fact that the EURO DNA 2.0 SNPs are based on published data that has been shown to be real and effective makes it a good test I think. When it comes to Finnish ancestry I think it is a good test to take because it goes along well with other autosomal studies that shows that Finns basically consist of one principal component. It is a good test for braking down the European principal components.

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          • #80
            Originally posted by J Man
            The fact that the EURO DNA 2.0 SNPs are based on published data that has been shown to be real and effective makes it a good test I think. When it comes to Finnish ancestry I think it is a good test to take because it goes along well with other autosomal studies that shows that Finns basically consist of one principal component. It is a good test for braking down the European principal components.
            Sorry J Man, but where has this test been independently shown to be "real and effective"? They cannot even distinguish between populations that have been apart at least 13,000 years!

            John

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            • #81
              Originally posted by Johnserrat
              Sorry J Man, but where has this test been independently shown to be "real and effective"? They cannot even distinguish between populations that have been apart at least 13,000 years!

              John

              It does need a bit more refinement it seems but things are clearly happening. There is autosomal population structuring within Europe.

              Here is a link:http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/art...?artid=1852743

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              • #82
                Originally posted by Jim Honeychuck
                What are the available world populations? I can't find them on the deCodeme site.
                Its the same (over 50) populations used by two recent published papers where they used 550k og 650k SNP data.

                http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/conten.../319/5866/1100

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Noaide
                  Its the same (over 50) populations used by two recent published papers where they used 550k og 650k SNP data.

                  http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/conten.../319/5866/1100
                  So for Europe, that is:

                  Adygei
                  Sardinian
                  Tuscan
                  Italian
                  French
                  Orcadian
                  Basque
                  Russian

                  Jim

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                  • #84
                    Euro 2.0 results.

                    I just recieved my Euro 2.0 test results after 8 monthes.

                    Southeastern European 34.8
                    Northeastern European 4.8
                    Continental European 48.4
                    Iberian 6.9
                    Basque 2.3

                    Maria

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                    • #85
                      Thank you for sharing your results. That's great news. Good to see you back.

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                      • #86
                        Hi Maria,
                        How do your results compare to your known ancestry? I was thinking of getting Mum to do this test as it does say in their manual it can pick up a GGrandparent of a different region so thought it may shed some light on our quest for her US father's heritage that is if he is anything other than Anglo American...won't bother if it's vague though...hoping that Iberian matches actually mean that and not some stand in for Celtic etc. getting a bit fed up with the vagueness of all these tests.

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                        • #87
                          Continental Europe

                          Hi Maria; Welcome back ! .Which countries are included in the category "Continental Europe " in the EURO test ?.Thanks .. KAT.

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                          • #88
                            Euro DNA 2.0 vs. DNA Tribes

                            Hello,

                            I ordered the Euro DNA 2.0 test because I want to see how its results matched up with those from DNA Tribes. It cost a lot (for a DNA test) and its unconscionably long leadtime tried my patience, but I figured the sacrifice would be worth it. I saw myself as a guinea pig.

                            First of all, here are my latest DNA Tribes results. I know some folks have gotten very strange results, but mine have been overall quite reasonable. I have gotten numerous upgrades, including the last for 21 STR pairs.

                            These are my Native Matches:

                            Strathclyde, Scotland (0.38) --- 339.21
                            Piemonte, Italy (0.48) --- 183.09
                            Finland (0.52) --- 142.91
                            Pomorze Zachodnia, Northwest Poland (0.41) --- 132.21
                            Russia (0.5) --- 127.02
                            Pomerania-Kujawy, Northern Poland (0.43) --- 122.76
                            Slovenia (0.38) --- 119.03
                            Toscana, Italy (0.42) --- 117.00
                            Belarus (0.43) --- 114.64
                            Lombardia, Italy (0.39) --- 112.14
                            North and Central Poland (0.41) --- 110.81
                            Czech Republic (0.39) --- 110.58
                            Ashkenazi (Budapest, Hungary) (0.37) --- 110.07
                            Central Poland (0.42) --- 109.38
                            Upper Silesia, Poland (0.43) --- 105.94
                            Lodz, Poland (0.43) 105.89
                            Netherlands (0.4) --- 102.16
                            Belarus (0.46) --- 97.88
                            Estonia (0.39) --- 94.09
                            Finland (0.47) --- 91.75


                            I am of 100 percent European descent, and all of these matches are European. On that very broad level, the results are accurate. The top score, by far, is "Strathclyde, Scotland" - and that is uncannily accurate, since half of my ancestors (give or take) came from Southwest Scotland. Strangely though, there are almost no other matches in Western Europe, much less the British Isles. There is a cluster in Northern Italy, which makes sense as the mix of Celtic and Germanic blood in that part of Europe could mimic that of someone who's half English and half Scots-Irish. But virtually all of the rest come from Central, Eastern and even Northeastern Europe - 2 Finland, 1 Estonia, 2 Belarus, 1 Russia, 6 Poland, 1 Czech Republic and 1 Slovenia. I have long rationalized my relative affinity to circum-Baltic populations as a reflection of the various Angles, Danes, Jutes and Norse Vikings that most British Americans have in their ancestry. Although I know DNA Tribes tests relative affinity of a given subject to various populations - not admixture - the preponderance of matches in this region led me to believe that I might score higher on the NEE or Northeastern Europe subtest for Euro DNA 2.0.

                            Not so. My Euro DNA 2.0 scores are as follows:

                            Southeastern Europe --- 11.2 %
                            Northeastern Europe --- 5.8 %
                            Continental Europe --- 58.5 %
                            Iberian --- 15.7 %
                            Basque --- 7.3 %


                            The NEE percentage is so low that it could be discarded as an illusion produced by statistical noise. ABDNA suggests that, for a person of predominantly Continental European origin, the NEE percentage would have to be at least 8.1 % for the admixture to be quantifiably real. My NEE percentage falls well beneath that. Although I do resemble the Polish sample - along with the West Irish, East English, German and French samples - in that more than half of my DNA is basically Continental European, the average Polish NEE percentage appears to exceed 20 % - nearly four times mine. As for Finland, the NEE percentage predominates. There is no way Finland rates number 3 in my DNA Tribes list on the basis of my Euro DNA 2.0 results. The affinity my CODIS markers have with so many Northeastern European samples has to be more accidental that it might at first seem.

                            My Southeastern European percentage (or SEE) is just high enough to qualify as a quantifiably real admixture. It appears close to the average for the East English and Polish samples, and a little below the average in the West Irish and German samples. Still, it is high enough to justify the inclusion of three Italian matches among the DNA Tribes top 20.

                            The next big discrepancy occurs with my Iberian percentage. The Iberian and Basque percentages combined make up 23 % of my ancestry, according to ABDNA. The Basque percentage could all be chalked up to statistical noise, but most of at least the Iberian percentage probably reflects a real admixture - however ancient. This is consistent with Y-DNA research, which suggests that much of the pre-Roman population of the British Isles came from Spain or thereabouts, from the days of the Pyrenees refugium onwards. No surprise there.

                            However, throughout my upgrades, Iberian matches have been conspicuously absent from my Native Match reports. "Basque", "Portuguese" and "Spanish" have always been at the bottom of my Europa reports as well. I can justify their absense when I notice that the ABDNA "Spanish" sample has very little Continental European admixture. But with nearly a quarter of my DNA now revealed as Iberian or Basque, you would think that I would score some sort of affinity with some Iberian DNA Tribes samples - or at the very least with a larger number of British Celtic samples.

                            If anybody asked me if Euro DNA 2.0 provides results consistent with those from DNA Tribes, I'd have to say "yes and no". Most of my DNA Tribes matches do, in fact, occur among populations that, like me, would tend to have predominantly Continental European DNA. It's on the relative admixture level where the comparison breaks down. And, considering the vast number of markers that Euro DNA 2.0 has tested, I'd have to defer to its results over those from DNA Tribes.

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                            • #89
                              Hi James,
                              So am I right in think that the Continental European reflects British ancestry? In which case it has picked out you're nearly 60%? And you say you're half Scots?
                              How does your other half compare to your results?
                              The reason I ask is I'm trying to determine the heritage of my Mum's unknown US father. My suspicion is Anglo/Hispanic but if she gets a match to Iberia how do we know if it's her father's input or her mother's 100% British origins?! Presumably to prove anything other than CE origins a person must have to get something over 10%?
                              Have AbDNA produced any table of what's typical a not typical for each region in terms of matches to each group?
                              It is a lot of money and I want to see how other peoples results compare to their actual origins before I do the test.
                              Incedentally, I don't know if it helps but my Mum's 100% English half sister got loads of Polish matches with DNATribes, which I'm guessing reflect Germanic ancestry as their German sample has high Polish scores, maybe this reflects Germanic ancestry for you too?
                              Many thanks.
                              Last edited by burto; 14 April 2008, 09:58 AM.

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                              • #90
                                Good to hear of a successful, or at least agreeable, testing experience.

                                Although Tribes and AbDNA's European regions do differ, I would think your Slovenian and Ashkenazi Tribes matches better fit with AbDNA's Southeast Europe than any of your three Italian matches all of which affiliate with Continental Europe or Northeast Iberia. Southern Italian matches would be a different story.

                                If one divided Europe simply east-west, the majority of your Tribes Top 20 matches are eastern, and northerly, whereas your AbDNA eastern matches are more southerly. But based just on the number of matches, Tribes seems to indicate more eastern ancestry than AbDNA.

                                I agree that AbDNA ought to be more accurate for its larger marker set of SNP's versus STR's and for it being based on a formal population study. Tribes database is assembled 'catch-as-catch-can' and seems unbalanced. I mean, Poland is interesting, but is there any good reason for it being represented by fourteen population samples versus four for France including two from Corsica?
                                Last edited by tomcat; 14 April 2008, 10:49 AM.

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