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  • #16
    Originally posted by penguin
    good point - so your parent inherited 50% from his/her Finnish mother, but you may have 0% of the finish genes, rather than the mean of 25%. Statstically unlikely, but notheless possible.

    out of curiosity, if you had been predcting your euro 1 results based on your own appearance, how close would they be to right? (sort of distateful i guess to think along those line, but can't help but wonder if our most obvious phetoypes remain a very good predictor of what the genotype will be).

    I agree with you, tomcat, that people can use it to verify paper stuff. Too bad its all not free. guess it's hard to put a price on what verification is worth.

    That's right I may have inherited some Finnish genes or I may not have. Gotta waite and see.

    I would say based on my appearance that my EURO-DNA 1.0 results are accurate. Most people do think that I look Southern Italian and the high MED score shows that pretty well. Some people also say I look Irish/Scottish and that may be explained by my 40% NOR score. I seem to be a pretty big mix.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by penguin
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      I agree with you, tomcat, that people can use it to verify paper stuff. Too bad its all not free. guess it's hard to put a price on what verification is worth.
      All-in-all I have spent less on DNA tests than on conventional genealogical research and received more certain results from testing. Much of the resources spent on conventional research was spent on finding records and then corroborating found records with additional records.

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      • #18
        Ordered the Euro 2.0

        I just ordered the Euro 2.0 last night. It was 550.00 for those of us who have already done the 2.5. Can't wait till I get the kit and send it back. I'll just have to wait another 6-8 weeks for the results. Thats the hardest part! Other then a Y test, which I can't take I have no other DNA test left to take. I guess I"ll have to start testing my family now.

        Maria

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        • #19
          Originally posted by burto
          ...
          Would love any suggestions-want to try and narrow down where this East Asian reading could have come from ... Mother's ABDNA 89% IE (65% NE, 12% SE, 0% MID, 22% SA) 11% EA
          ...
          Does DNAP offer any guidance on working with the numbers of successive tests? In the example above, do all the Euro 1.0 numbers refer only to the 89% IE from the AbDNA 2.5? Does the Euro 1.0 65% NE come out of the 89% IE? If so how does one work-with the numbers from the Euro 2.0 or what is the geographic/ethnic frame of Euro 2.0?

          As I am not sure I am getting this across, I will go at it from another direction ...

          Is the AbDNA result of 11% EA 'real' and to be set-aside as it is in no way further defined by Euro 1.0? And, then, what measures of Euro 1.0 need to be set-aside as they will not be further defined by Euro 2.0? Does Euro 2.0 exclude any further definition of certain Euro 1.0 and AbDNA measures? Will Euro 2.0 be of any help to those with inexplicable South Asian, East Asian scores?

          And to return to a point tangentially raised in a previous post in this thread, how do we know the 1300+ SNP's of Euro 2.0 have no relevance to NA, SSA, SA, EA etc if they have not been tried in those geographies?

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          • #20
            [QUOTE=tomcat]Does DNAP offer any guidance on working with the numbers of successive tests? In the example above, do all the Euro 1.0 numbers refer only to the 89% IE from the AbDNA 2.5? Does the Euro 1.0 65% NE come out of the 89% IE?
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            I would say so or that's how I took it as East Asian is classified as seperate to European.
            So if that is the case then Mum in actuality is about 20% South Asian if she looked at the whole picture and has 31% Asian DNA in total.
            I would guess that the Euro 2.0 in her case would be a break down of her NE and SE scores. I would guess that she would get Continental European as a good proportion of her Euro 2.0 results as she is 50% English.
            What I want to find out is is there a Spanish ancestor in the family? The Euro 1.0 doesn't answer that as Spain is considered as Northern European.
            Tribes say her World match is closest to Meditteranean, which does include Spain. Phenotypically I would say she looks Hispanic/Mediterranean, but I'm working on the avatar!!!

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            • #21
              [QUOTE=burto]
              Originally posted by tomcat
              ...So if that is the case then Mum in actuality is about 20% South Asian if she looked at the whole picture and has 31% Asian DNA in total.
              I would guess that the Euro 2.0 in her case would be a break down of her NE and SE scores. I would guess that she would get Continental European as a good proportion of her Euro 2.0 results as she is 50% English.
              What I want to find out is is there a Spanish ancestor in the family? The Euro 1.0 doesn't answer that as Spain is considered as Northern European.
              Tribes say her World match is closest to Meditteranean, which does include Spain. Phenotypically I would say she looks Hispanic/Mediterranean, but I'm working on the avatar!!!
              If you read everything on the DNAP site you will come to a table that shows South Asian has about a 15.5% reading in Iberia and a 14.1% reading in Turkey. So you could put East Asian aside but South Asian is still in the running for Iberia and the Middle East/Near East/Eastern Mediterranean. Personally, I don't think the always minor Roma population accounts for the South Asian reading in these European regions. Maybe Turkey is not part of Euro 2.0. (Is this some signal about Turkey's application to join the EU?)
              Last edited by tomcat; 6 August 2007, 06:19 PM.

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              • #22
                Leadtime On Eurodna 2.0

                Hello,

                Has anyone yet gotten their results back from ABDNA on the Eurodna 2.0 test? I sent off my kit on June 23rd and have yet to hear anything. Has anyone inquired about the probable leadtime on results?

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                • #23
                  12 weeks...

                  Hi,
                  I was told to expect it no earlier than 12 weeks, which would be around Sept 23rd for you. I sent mine off around the 23rd of August. I have a long wait!
                  Please post results when you get them!

                  Maria

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by tomcat
                    If you read everything on the DNAP site you will come to a table that shows South Asian has about a 15.5% reading in Iberia and a 14.1% reading in Turkey. So you could put East Asian aside but South Asian is still in the running for Iberia and the Middle East/Near East/Eastern Mediterranean. Personally, I don't think the always minor Roma population accounts for the South Asian reading in these European regions. Maybe Turkey is not part of Euro 2.0. (Is this some signal about Turkey's application to join the EU?)
                    Hi,
                    Mum got no score for Middle East at all. She got what Tribes describe as "in the high end" of Indian and Tribal Indian scores on their test. When I compare Mum's Indian matches to a typical Caucasians' on Tribes, she's between high typical and very high unusual so who knows....

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                    • #25
                      So, if Middle East is off the table, the South Asian could indicate Iberian ancestry. From whom might that descend?

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                      • #26
                        Re: Leadtime On Eurodna 2.0

                        Maria W.

                        Thanks for the info on when to expect Eurodna 2.0 results. I will certainly post them when I get them. I'm very curious to see how they compare with Eurodna 1.0, DNA Tribes Scores & Europa, Y-DNA, mtDNA, etc.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by tomcat
                          So, if Middle East is off the table, the South Asian could indicate Iberian ancestry. From whom might that descend?
                          It would have to be Mum's father...I've researched her maternal family on every branch back to the 1600's, in some cases 1500 and they are all English. It might be interesting to do the Euro 2.0 to see if the theory is correct!

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by tomcat
                            So, if Middle East is off the table, the South Asian could indicate Iberian ancestry. From whom might that descend?
                            Also, why would the Iberians have such high South Asian scores compared to everywhere else in Europe?

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by burto
                              Also, why would the Iberians have such high South Asian scores compared to everywhere else in Europe?

                              The only explanation I can see for that is Gypsy intermarriage. This probably did not happen much though. It mught be much more ancient.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by J Man
                                The only explanation I can see for that is Gypsy intermarriage. This probably did not happen much though. It mught be much more ancient.
                                Forget the gypsy explanation!

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