Indian Teeth

[rainbow]

I don't know what winged teeth look like. I'd need to see a picture.

I just re-read (skimmed) my post on page 5 where I talk about an extra nerve. I also posted in that old post that my teeth were scooped out in the back. But after seeing the large picture of shovel teeth, mine don't look like that, or that extreme. My front teeth are sloped/angled like my incisors. I thought European front teeth are vertical in the back.

[rainbow]

Found this on winged teeth:
-Winged incisors are not a disturbance of development, but rather a special case of rotation of the upper central incisors. It is usually described as a distinctive bilateral rotation to the mesial which is particularly common amongst Native American Indians

http://www.uic.edu/classes/orla/orla312/VariationInToothMorphology.htm

The picture there is too small.

edit: I saved the pic to "my pictures" and zoomed in. My incisors aren't rotated.

[rainbow]

I am American Indian. I have the shovel teeth and the ridge at the gumline. I have always hated to go to the dentist due to pain issues. Never could get me "numb". An Elder told me one time that we have an extra nerve to each tooth. I have told this to several dentists [never worked on a Rez] and they were amazed to find that this was true...at least in my case. That extra nerve makes deadening teeth very tricky for NAs. I have found a dentist who understands this unique physiology and I have no problems now --- except a life long mis-trust of dentists hahaha.
Peace,
Bob

I found where I saw the extra nerve reference. From the first page of this thread

I have an extra nerve also.

[haplogroupc]

I saved the pic to "my pictures" and zoomed in. My incisors aren't rotated.

Neither are mine but they're common in my family. It's one way to tell if there's possibly NA ancestry in the family.

[Yaffa]

winged Teeth

I don't know what winged teeth look like. I'd need to see a picture.

I just re-read (skimmed) my post on page 5 where I talk about an extra nerve. I also posted in that old post that my teeth were scooped out in the back. But after seeing the large picture of shovel teeth, mine don't look like that, or that extreme. My front teeth are sloped/angled like my incisors. I thought European front teeth are vertical in the back.

http://www.angle.org/anglonline/?request=get-document&issn=0003-3219&volume=075&issue=03&page=0478

Winged Teeth Link above with good pictures.

http://www.forensicdentistryonline.org/Tooth_morphology/adult_variation_morph.htm

Below is the 4 signs of NA/Asian heritage taken from forensic dental link above

4) One other variation of the upper first premolar is the 'Uto-Aztecan' upper premolar. It is a bulge on the buccal cusp that is only found in Native American Indians, with highest frequencies of occurence in Arizona. The name is not a dental term; it comes from a regional linguistic division of Native American Indian language groups.


(c.) Sometimes lower first permanent molars have three roots. It is the mesial molar root that is bifurcated. Clinical articles often consider it an anomaly. It is just a variation. Three rooted lower first molars are found in greater frequency amongst North American Indians with origins in Asia.


Shovel shaped incisors display enhanced marginal ridges and present with a distinctive shovel-shaped appearance on the lingual aspect. They appear frequently in many persons of Asian origin, including many Native American Indians. They are especially prominent in Eskimo/Inuit who are descendants of Siberians about 4,000 years ago.


Winged incisors are not a disturbance of development, but rather a special case of rotation of the upper central incisors. It is usually described as a distinctive bilateral rotation to the mesial which is particularly common amongst Native American Indians.

[Yaffa]

Sinodonty and Sundadondy

I found where I saw the extra nerve reference. From the first page of this thread

I have an extra nerve also.

Technical Terms Sinodonty and Sundadonty - a few links

http://daphne.palomar.edu/ddozier/course_notes/concepts/histories/archaic/sinodonty.htm

http://sciencelinks.jp/j-east/article/200008/000020000800A0171489.php

http://www.uic.edu/classes/osci/osci590/10_1Non-Metric.htm

[rainbow]

I didn't see anything in those links about an extra nerve. Did I miss it?

[rainbow]

Neither are mine but they're common in my family. It's one way to tell if there's possibly NA ancestry in the family.

I looked at the photos I have of my father and his siblings and his mom. I didn't see winged teeth. But....if they had braces as a kid/teen then that would have fixed it. As far as I know my father did not have braces. he was in a car accident in his teens and had his jaw wired and stuff, but I don't know if he had braces. I never had braces. Most of my classmates when I was kid/teen had braces. My best friend had winged teeth. She had braces.

[Yaffa]

Extra Nerve

I didn't see anything in those links about an extra nerve. Did I miss it?

I cant find anything on the subject other than the posts you found on this thread. Don't know if this trait is only common to NA or others as well. Best bet is to ask a dentist that has knowledge on the subject. I do have the shovel teeth but never asked about extra nerves.

[burto]

Hi Rainbow,
How do you know you have an extra nerve? My teeth must be a throw back from some bizarre person from the past...I had too many teeth and overcrowding isn't uncommon but when my teeth were removed I could still feel the dentists tool jabbing in my gums after an anesthetic and the nurse had to hold my head down as the dentist knelt over me and pulled with all her might to get them out!!!! I was only 10 at the time. She said she'd never had to pull so hard...my orthodontist also said I may have a third set of teeth
I can't work whether one of mine is partially shovelled, it looks it, but I'm no expert.
Me and Mum have "big teeth" compared to Mum's half sister and other friends/family and she has a gap, although so does my other half and he's Scottish!!!

[burto]

Maybe I should do the AbDNA test:
"American blacks have significantly higher prevalences of hyperdontia for each tooth group, and the average number of extra teeth is likewise higher."
Taken from:
The Angle Orthodontist: Vol. 78, No. 3, pp. 460–465.

An Epidemiological Study of Hyperdontia in American Blacks and Whites
Edward F. Harris;a Larkin L. Clarkb

Hyperdontia is having extra teeth....

[TAZyaqui]

I am American Indian. I have the shovel teeth and the ridge at the gumline. I have always hated to go to the dentist due to pain issues. Never could get me "numb". An Elder told me one time that we have an extra nerve to each tooth. I have told this to several dentists [never worked on a Rez] and they were amazed to find that this was true...at least in my case. That extra nerve makes deadening teeth very tricky for NAs. I have found a dentist who understands this unique physiology and I have no problems now --- except a life long mis-trust of dentists hahaha.
Peace,
Bob



I have to agree with this. I had gone to the dentist for years and always experienced alot of pain even just for a cleaning. Then one day I went to have a root canal and they discovered I had an extra nerve and had to ajust the pain med. If I would have known this ahead of time it would have savedme years of torture at the dentist.