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  • #31
    Originally posted by J Man
    Ethnoancestry tests for S22 which defines IJ.



    Y-DNA: J2a*
    For whom would it be appropriate to test for S22? Only those with I* and J* or all I's and J's?
    Judy Simon

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Judy
      For whom would it be appropriate to test for S22? Only those with I* and J* or all I's and J's?
      Judy Simon

      All Is and Js can test for S22 if they want. Every I male and every J male in the world today has this marker. I knew I would have the marker but I tested for it anyways just because I was curious.



      Y-DNA: J2a*

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Judy
        For whom would it be appropriate to test for S22? Only those with I* and J* or all I's and J's?
        Assuming that the classification of S22 as the SNP for IJ is correct, it would not be informative for any I or J to test for S22. Rather, someone who has been put in the F superhaplogroup (and not in any of its child haplogroups G, H, I, J, or K) might want to test for S22.

        Here is the haplogroup tree trunk:

        http://www.isogg.org/tree/ISOGG_YDNATreeTrunk07.html

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        • #34
          Originally posted by cacio
          I haven't looked at them, but I wonder if the F's are misassignments.
          Some but not all. The simplest test is whether the F's are strongly separated, by genetic distance, from other haplogroups.

          Here are Ysearch listings that gather most of the F's at two levels of resolution, with at least one non-F in each case to show the genetic distance:

          67 markers
          http://www.ysearch.org/search_result..._type=absolute

          37 markers
          http://www.ysearch.org/search_result..._type=absolute

          Some of these cases are FTDNA-certified (SNP-tested, or at least predicted):

          http://www.ftdna.com/public/boyette

          http://www.small-stuff.com/SHARP/results.htm

          http://www.historicalgenetics.com/bondfamily.html

          http://www.worldfamilies.net/surname...d/results.html

          http://www.ftdna.com/public/Phelps

          http://www.ftdna.com/public/Coe%20Fa...0DNA%20Project

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          • #35
            lgmayka:

            very interesting, I did not know about the existence of F in Europe, I thought they were only in India and SE Asia. Which then begs the question. Could they be due to a gypsy origin? Though I haven't checked the papers on the gypsies, whether they have F or not (I remember they do have H, which may explain the H in Europe).

            I noticed that one of them at least goes back to Albemarle co virginia, ie the same place as Jefferson's. K2, F - interesting place indeed.

            cacio

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            • #36
              Originally posted by lgmayka
              Assuming that the classification of S22 as the SNP for IJ is correct, it would not be informative for any I or J to test for S22. Rather, someone who has been put in the F superhaplogroup (and not in any of its child haplogroups G, H, I, J, or K) might want to test for S22.
              Oh, of course, I should have realized that. Thanks for clearing up my confusion Larry.
              Judy Simon

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              • #37
                J2* with M12-

                I am also classified by FTDNA as J2* with a negative M12. Could someone please tell me, if I were tested and found to be DYS413≤18 through FTDNA, would I still end up needing a confirmatory M410+ to be absolutely certain I was J2a1*?

                Also, could someone please explain the technical reason why a J2 with a negative M12 would still need to test M410+ in order to be 100% sure they are J2a* and/or why the J2* classification is still retained all? Is it because the experts are cautiously waiting around to see if someone eventually turns up who is M172+ and also both M12- and M410-?

                Thanks

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by White Socks
                  I am also classified by FTDNA as J2* with a negative M12. Could someone please tell me, if I were tested and found to be DYS413≤18 through FTDNA, would I still end up needing a confirmatory M410+ to be absolutely certain I was J2a1*?

                  Also, could someone please explain the technical reason why a J2 with a negative M12 would still need to test M410+ in order to be 100% sure they are J2a* and/or why the J2* classification is still retained all? Is it because the experts are cautiously waiting around to see if someone eventually turns up who is M172+ and also both M12- and M410-?

                  Thanks

                  Hey brother good to see another J2 around these parts!

                  If you were tested and found to be DYS413<18 there would be no need really for getting the M410 test done. If you are DYS413<18 then your are also M410+.

                  You could test M410 if you really want to (I did) but really DYS413 is all you really need to test. The J2* classification is retained by FTDNA for some reason still. They still use the old nomenclature for some reason when it comes to haplogroup J.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by J Man
                    You could test M410 if you really want to (I did) but really DYS413 is all you really need to test.
                    Appreciated the information, J Man. I'm glad I won't need to pay the $45 extraction fee plus $39 for a custom SNP at Ethnoancestry. I just ordered DYS413 and DYS445 through FTDNA, and will post back in the future when I get my results. Thanks again for sharing your knowledge.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by White Socks
                      Appreciated the information, J Man. I'm glad I won't need to pay the $45 extraction fee plus $39 for a custom SNP at Ethnoancestry. I just ordered DYS413 and DYS445 through FTDNA, and will post back in the future when I get my results. Thanks again for sharing your knowledge.

                      No problem and good luck.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by bob_chasm
                        ylgitn hi, I am a J2* from India. I was wondering, how close are you to the KMH (Kurdish modal haplotype) shared with the Samaritans: Dys 19=14, 388=15, 390=23, 391=10, 392=11, 393=12
                        Out of curiosity, I compared my numbers to the KMH and the only difference between my DYS values and those listed above, is that my DYS19=15 instead of 14. Everything else matches. What would the significance of that be?

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                        • #42
                          You are within the KMH "cluster". As the name implies, it appears to have developed in the northern part of the Fertile Crescent. In the West, it is found in the Mediterranian and in Jewish populations. As Bob noted it is also found in southwestern and southern Asia.

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                          • #43
                            I basically already started a topic concerning this question, but I got no responses.

                            I have DYS447=17. Is this uncommon? I can't seem to find many who share this with me. (I'm expected J-M172 at the very least).

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