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  • #31
    Originally posted by Jay1
    Yes it is also searchable at the NARA site [National Archives]as well and some even have the enrollment cards attached but not all .
    I checked the NARA database and I found about 20 people listed in the Indian School records who have the same last names as my grandparents but the problem is that I don't know what their first names were (my grandparents) so that's where I'm stuck. I just know they fled during the wars and hid in some mountains. That's why for me the SOL totally applies.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by haplogroupc
      I checked the NARA database and I found about 20 people listed in the Indian School records who have the same last names as my grandparents but the problem is that I don't know what their first names were (my grandparents) so that's where I'm stuck. I just know they fled during the wars and hid in some mountains. That's why for me the SOL totally applies.

      Email me direct with the info and I will see if I can locate anything for you.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Jay1
        Email me direct with the info and I will see if I can locate anything for you.
        Thanks for the offer. I'll send you a private message which you can access at the top of this website, on the right hand side.

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        • #34
          Cherokee

          I would like to comment about "Indian DNA". There is one thing that has to be remembered here. The U.S government was trying to make "Less" Indians not more by creating these "ROLLS". My family was on one of the earlier "rolls" The 1835 emigration roll. see signer #11 May 6 1828 from "mouse creek Tenn." He went to Arkansas and saw all the problems they were having out there and decided to come back to the mountains of east Tn. ie blount county. Because he left does that mean he wasn't an Indian any more??? what a joke. All of his children and grandchildren filed for membership with the Guion Miller, Dawes and Baker rolls and were denied. Boy i wish that there was DNA testing back then. We have 5 people's Y DNA tests coming up as Q3 M3. I believe that is Huge Proof. I have my Grandfathers Divorce from 1914 because he was a half-breed cherokee. It was illegal for him to marry. But in 1924 When he gave his proof in a "white court" that he was a half breed to Mr. Fred Baker, He was still denied. The U.S government was in the buisness of getting rid of as many american indians as they could. Just as the Cherokee are doing today by getting rid of the freedmen. I am not a conspirasy advocate at all but there were some nasty things done on Both sides of the rolls. It was and always will continue to be about money. Not "who your daddy was". BIG CHIEF.... and the dna to prove it lmao!!!!!

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          • #35
            I have no family history of American Indian ancestry. I'm a white American who wondered if she had some trace "Mongolian or Hun" dna from her half Czech father. I took the ancestrybydna test. I assumed/expected 100% european result, and anticipated/hoped for a 2% or 3 % east asian result, at most, if any. My ancestry by dna test came back 83% European, 17% Native American. I then tested with DNATRIBES, and have NO american indian matches, but I match italy, greece, & turkey.


            AncestryByDna 'Native American' may or MAY NOT BE actual American Indian, but may instead be Central asian markers that are also found in Europeans, including those whose ancestors are from areas where the Romans were. I'm 3/4 British, 1/4 Czech. Romans occupied Britain for centuries.

            Any white American that is getting a Native American result on their ABD should double check that and get tested by DNATRIBES.

            I also suspect DNATRIBES accuracy. They also matched me to Maori! DNATRIBES, are you kidding me!
            Last edited by rainbow; 8 April 2007, 05:08 PM.

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            • #36
              My top two matches from dnatribes are portugal & mozambique. Makes no sense. i had emailed them asking if they mixed my swabs with someone elses, they said no.

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              • #37
                Still have Native anyway....

                Rainbow:

                In my case, even with out the Ancestry By DNA 10% Native American results, I still have proven Native American (Potowomecke) ancestry back to the 1600's in Virginia through my Waugh and Elkins line. So does the 10% reflect this 1600's heritage. I am hearing that it can't go back that far. So if it doesn't then where is the 10% from? Well, its either more recent (which adds a new tribe(s)) or its a mistake. I suppose I could retest but at this point, Im not really that bothered over it, becasue I have Native heritage even without it. Hope every one finds their heritage!

                Maria

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                • #38
                  Oh forgot..

                  I meant to add that I do have alot of female spouses that are missing names during the colonial time frame. They are born in Delaware, Maine, Massachsettes, Pennsylvania, Virginia, New Jersey. This would add to native tribes back in 1600's but not more recent. I do have more recent ancestors who are missing also. This could account for the 10% recent results I got back!

                  Maria

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by haplogroupc
                    There are articles about Native Americans who have taken DNA tests and who have gotten little or no percentage of Native American on their results. In addition, their mtDNA haplogroups and Y-DNA haplogroups are not Native American. Many Natives refuse to take the tests for fear that their results will be used against them, as a tool to remove them from the tribe.

                    [chuckle] Hi Gang,
                    Just for the record I AM a REAL Indian and I have spoken my heart to this small thread. Part of the problem has always been when we speak do others ever really listen to what we say? Been going on a long time. Just my two beads worth.

                    Bob

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by big chief
                      I would like to comment about "Indian DNA". There is one thing that has to be remembered here. The U.S government was trying to make "Less" Indians not more by creating these "ROLLS". My family was on one of the earlier "rolls" The 1835 emigration roll. see signer #11 May 6 1828 from "mouse creek Tenn." He went to Arkansas and saw all the problems they were having out there and decided to come back to the mountains of east Tn. ie blount county. Because he left does that mean he wasn't an Indian any more??? what a joke. All of his children and grandchildren filed for membership with the Guion Miller, Dawes and Baker rolls and were denied. Boy i wish that there was DNA testing back then. We have 5 people's Y DNA tests coming up as Q3 M3. I believe that is Huge Proof. I have my Grandfathers Divorce from 1914 because he was a half-breed cherokee. It was illegal for him to marry. But in 1924 When he gave his proof in a "white court" that he was a half breed to Mr. Fred Baker, He was still denied. The U.S government was in the buisness of getting rid of as many american indians as they could. Just as the Cherokee are doing today by getting rid of the freedmen. I am not a conspirasy advocate at all but there were some nasty things done on Both sides of the rolls. It was and always will continue to be about money. Not "who your daddy was". BIG CHIEF.... and the dna to prove it lmao!!!!!

                      Amen and Amen

                      Bob

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Bob Swinea
                        [chuckle] Hi Gang,
                        Just for the record I AM a REAL Indian and I have spoken my heart to this small thread. Part of the problem has always been when we speak do others ever really listen to what we say? Been going on a long time. Just my two beads worth.

                        Bob
                        I think the poster was asking about the spiritual significance of taking DNA tests, if it would be spiritually wrong somehow. So far no one has answered his question.

                        But there are definitely cases out there, particularly in smaller tribes, in which DNA tests have caused problems for members. And some tribes now want to require DNA testing. In one example, the article "Native American DNA Tests: What are the Risks to Tribes?" says, "A few federally-recognized tribes, such as the Mashantucket Pequot of Connecticut, have considered using Native American DNA tests for enrollment purposes" (in order to keep people from joining the tribe).

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Bob Swinea
                          [chuckle] Hi Gang,
                          Just for the record I AM a REAL Indian and I have spoken my heart to this small thread. Part of the problem has always been when we speak do others ever really listen to what we say? Been going on a long time. Just my two beads worth.

                          Bob

                          I guess this means that all us DNA-Indians ought to give it up.

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                          • #43
                            There are articles about Native Americans who have taken DNA tests and who have gotten little or no percentage of Native American on their results. In addition, their mtDNA haplogroups and Y-DNA haplogroups are not Native American. Many Natives refuse to take the tests for fear that their results will be used against them, as a tool to remove them from the tribe.


                            How can they tell who is Native American anyway when they havent test but a couple of tribes to get A, B, C, D, & X Haplogroups and Q, P, & F Haplogroups when there are thousands of Native American tribes untested and you have all these Europeans getting far more Native American than the Native Americans now is this some sort of government thing to get rid of Native Americans and take over what they have with the Casinos and to get out of their debt to them because its definitely leaning that way

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by haplogroupc
                              I think the poster was asking about the spiritual significance of taking DNA tests, if it would be spiritually wrong somehow. So far no one has answered his question.

                              But there are definitely cases out there, particularly in smaller tribes, in which DNA tests have caused problems for members. And some tribes now want to require DNA testing. In one example, the article "Native American DNA Tests: What are the Risks to Tribes?" says, "A few federally-recognized tribes, such as the Mashantucket Pequot of Connecticut, have considered using Native American DNA tests for enrollment purposes" (in order to keep people from joining the tribe).
                              OK. I will speak spiritually for myself as one Indian who still practices an Old Way. It is never wrong to seek the Truth; no matter where it may be found. The heart of the Way is learning Nature's lessons and learing to live within nature as a part of the larger Web of Life. As Chief Seattle [Duwamish] was said to have taught, we are simply a part of the web of life, we didn't create it. DNA is the very heart of nature as I see it and it has its own truth to teach. The larger question is can we, spiritual beings having a human experience, accept the truth as it is taught to us? This is my opinion. You don't have to agree with it.
                              Peace to All,
                              Bob

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by tomcat
                                I guess this means that all us DNA-Indians ought to give it up.

                                Yep tomkat ... makes me want to hang up my feathers and tomahawk and slip on some real European shoes and not these mocs... hahahaha
                                My Best to All,
                                Bob

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