Which Haplogr. is FT founder B. Greenspan?

[Jambalaia32]

His physique looks like Michael Dukakis-so maybe Greenspan is half Greek,and his pretty color (everyone has a pretty color, to me) looks like a Jordanian or Indic type- you know they are very smart and build big pyramids-at least in South America ,where Ben Greenspan lived.

[J Man]

His physique looks like Michael Dukakis-so maybe Greenspan is half Greek,and his pretty color (everyone has a pretty color, to me) looks like a Jordanian or Indic type- you know they are very smart and build big pyramids-at least in South America ,where Ben Greenspan lived.

Bennett Greenspan is in haplogroup J2 I believe.



Y-DNA: J2a*

[Judy]

His physique looks like Michael Dukakis-so maybe Greenspan is half Greek,and his pretty color (everyone has a pretty color, to me) looks like a Jordanian or Indic type- you know they are very smart and build big pyramids-at least in South America ,where Ben Greenspan lived.

This discussion of Bennett and your generalizations are making me very uncomfortable. Physical traits are based on recombinant DNA, not the Y-DNA SNP markers that determine haplogroup.
Judy Simon

[Jambalaia32]

This discussion of Bennett and your generalizations are making me very uncomfortable. Physical traits are based on recombinant DNA, not the Y-DNA SNP markers that determine haplogroup.
Judy Simon

Well I thought (me and my little mind) that people looked
somewhat like their ethnic origin.If they didn't ,then no one would look like any thing,and then no one would be anything,and then Miss Judy Simon would feel very secure I guess.
But that just sounds corn-ball-y to me it really does.I guess you'd like lions if they don't look like one,because then you wouldn't be afraid of their size and teeth,thought they can still bite.If a tornado don't look like one then what is it? Most people in most places look like what ever they claim to be,that 's part of natures plan for you to recognize something as a certain thing.I look something like other MtK's. I do.

[Arch Yeomans]

Well I thought (me and my little mind) that people looked
somewhat like their ethnic origin.If they didn't ,then no one would look like any God damned thing,and then no one would be anything,and then Miss Judy Simon would feel very secure I guess.
But that just sounds corn-ball-y to me it really does.I guess you'd like lions if they don't look like one,because then you wouldn't be afraid of their size and teeth,thought they can still bite.If a tornado don't look like one then what the hell is it? Most people in most places look like what ever they claim to be,that 's part of natures plan for you to recognize something as a certain thing.I look something like other MtK's. I do.

The response you received is exactly the stuff that irritates me.. everybody has to be so freeking sensitive how mentioning common physical features or traits of a person or group of people. Maybe it's the philosopher in me, that I want the Truth no matter how much it may hurt or disappoint me. Genetics is the determining factor of what we all look like, like it or not, DNA speaks the Truth more than our ideals of political correctness or oversensitivities to identifying a common trait of peoples throughout the world. No matter how much we want to deny believing certain things to be "in-tune" with modern view of today's political correctness, there are stereotypes that have some elements of truth to them; that's just the way of the world. No need to get offended, just accept it or deal with it is how I would have replied to her. We look the way we do because of our genetics (its ability to mutate, and adapt is simply amazing no matter what we look like, smell like, think like, behave like, etc., it is everything that makes us, us, and yet so different from each other).

[Maria_W]

Roll of the dna dice!

Well, lets see. I am 5'3, 130 lbs, blue-gray eyes and medium brown hair. My skin is light(but not white) and I can tan. My ethnic mix is : 10% Native American(Potowomecke, out of Stafford and King George Cty, VA) and 90 percent European(England, Scotland, Ireland, Germany, Wales, ect) I'm Heinze 57! 3 of us look like my dad, the Shook side and my 3 other siblings look like my mom, the Wilson side. Roll of the genetic dice!
Maria

[Maria_W]

Absolutely amazing.

I agree, that dna is absolutely amazing! I am in awe of it! I am sure I won't be able to understand my x panel but it still facinates me!
Maria

[MMaddi]

The response you received is exactly the stuff that irritates me.. everybody has to be so freeking sensitive how mentioning common physical features or traits of a person or group of people. Maybe it's the philosopher in me, that I want the Truth no matter how much it may hurt or disappoint me. Genetics is the determining factor of what we all look like, like it or not, DNA speaks the Truth more than our ideals of political correctness or oversensitivities to identifying a common trait of peoples throughout the world. No matter how much we want to deny believing certain things to be "in-tune" with modern view of today's political correctness, there are stereotypes that have some elements of truth to them; that's just the way of the world. No need to get offended, just accept it or deal with it is how I would have replied to her. We look the way we do because of our genetics (its ability to mutate, and adapt is simply amazing no matter what we look like, smell like, think like, behave like, etc., it is everything that makes us, us, and yet so different from each other).

Yes, there is an element of truth to most stereotypes, but we wouldn't need to have a term like "stereotypes" if they were accurate - we'd just call them descriptions. Judy is probably not expressing political correctness (there almost seems to be a "counter-political correctness" about other people's "political correctness"). I think she's reacting to Jambalaia's simplistic version of how genetics affects the way we look and Jambalaia coming across as overly concerned about her haplogroup and how it makes her so different. If you don't know what I'm talking about, read some of Jambalaia's more bizarre postings on this board over the last few months.

The scientific facts (not dictated by any political correctness motivation) are these. The y chromosome and mitochondrial DNA have little or nothing to do with the physical attributes of living organisms. Those attributes are detemined by the autosomal DNA - the 22 pair of non-sex related chromosomes. The autosomal DNA in each person is a mixture, by recombination, of the mother's and father's autosomal DNA. In turn, the mother's and father's autosomal DNA is a mixture of their parents, and on and on back through dozens and hundreds of generations.

So no one can say where Johnny's button nose or Jenny's eye shape came from with any precision or even that it's due for certain to this or that ethnic or racial background. To make the claim, as Jambalaia does (if she's even serious about what she posts), that her mtDNA haplogroup accounts for the way she and others in her haplogroup look (or Bennett Greenspan's haplogroup and looks) is just plain ludicrous and has no science behind it.

Mike

[Eki]

The scientific facts (not dictated by any political correctness motivation) are these. The y chromosome and mitochondrial DNA have little or nothing to do with the physical attributes of living organisms. Those attributes are detemined by the autosomal DNA - the 22 pair of non-sex related chromosomes. The autosomal DNA in each person is a mixture, by recombination, of the mother's and father's autosomal DNA. In turn, the mother's and father's autosomal DNA is a mixture of their parents, and on and on back through dozens and hundreds of generations.

But since autosomal DNA comes together with Y-DNA from the father and mtDNA from the mother, there is a correlation. And if you come from an isolated ethnic group with few Y- and mtDNA-haplogroups, the higher the correlation is.

[MMaddi]

But since autosomal DNA comes together with Y-DNA from the father and mtDNA from the mother, there is a correlation. And if you come from an isolated ethnic group with few Y- and mtDNA-haplogroups, the higher the correlation is.

Yes, that's true. But for most people, they can't say that "since I'm in mtDNA haplogroup K (Jambalaia's haplogroup, I believe, a fairly common European one), that's why I look this way." Or in the case of Bennett Greenspan, of yDNA haplogroup J1 or J2, his haplogroup explains why he looks the way he does.

I think you can agree with that.

[Eki]

I think you can agree with that.

Yes, I can agree with that. It's certainly true in places like North America or Australia that have had immigrants from all over the world, but it's less true in other continents like Europe, Africa and Asia.

[MMaddi]

For those who believe that a person's looks have a great deal to do with his or her yDNA or mtDNA haplogroup, please read this posting on the Genealogy-DNA e-mail list today - http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read...-01/1167760098

The old saying, "you can't always judge a book by its cover," may have been around a long time, but still is something to consider.

Mike

[Jambalaia32]

Yes, there is an element of truth to most stereotypes, but we wouldn't need to have a term like "stereotypes" if they were accurate - we'd just call them descriptions. Judy is probably not expressing political correctness (there almost seems to be a "counter-political correctness" about other people's "political correctness"). I think she's reacting to Jambalaia's simplistic version of how genetics affects the way we look and Jambalaia coming across as overly concerned about her haplogroup and how it makes her so different. If you don't know what I'm talking about, read some of Jambalaia's more bizarre postings on this board over the last few months.

The scientific facts (not dictated by any political correctness motivation) are these. The y chromosome and mitochondrial DNA have little or nothing to do with the physical attributes of living organisms. Those attributes are detemined by the autosomal DNA - the 22 pair of non-sex related chromosomes. The autosomal DNA in each person is a mixture, by recombination, of the mother's and father's autosomal DNA. In turn, the mother's and father's autosomal DNA is a mixture of their parents, and on and on back through dozens and hundreds of generations.

So no one can say where Johnny's button nose or Jenny's eye shape came from with any precision or even that it's due for certain to this or that ethnic or racial background. To make the claim, as Jambalaia does (if she's even serious about what she posts), that her mtDNA haplogroup accounts for the way she and others in her haplogroup look (or Bennett Greenspan's haplogroup and looks) is just plain ludicrous and has no science behind it.

Mike

I can guarantee you look like you do due to you DNA,not to would be weird.Every trait is from a certain genotype and most people sharing a genotype look alike,or how do you explain how people look alike? My matches look like me because they have the exact same genes as me-or I presume-and I don't call it a stereotype because that tends to be a behavior,and a negative one at that,but you're supposed to look like your breed to some extent-that's expected,it's not really a stereotype.If bread looks like bread is that a stereotype? Isn't it supposed to look like bread?

[Jambalaia32]

Yes, I can agree with that. It's certainly true in places like North America or Australia that have had immigrants from all over the world, but it's less true in other continents like Europe, Africa and Asia.

If you're not real mixed you'll look something like your folks,trust me.

[Jambalaia32]

For those who believe that a person's looks have a great deal to do with his or her yDNA or mtDNA haplogroup, please read this posting on the Genealogy-DNA e-mail list today - http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read...-01/1167760098

The old saying, "you can't always judge a book by its cover," may have been around a long time, but still is something to consider.

Mike

You can come out looking like all your ancestors,-maybe you'll come out looking like that monkey that you evolved from 300,000 years ago-and everyone 'll say, "who was that?",certainly not moms and pops! But I often find that you look like your current parents and grandparents an awful lot.