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    I just got back my 37 marker results. I have 8 matches with a genetic distance of 4 and none less than 4. My ysearch.org ID is RJKGE. What conclusions can I reach? Am I an atypical R1b1c? Are matches with a distance of 4 meaningful?

    Lloyd A.
    R1b1c

  • #2
    Originally posted by lapp15
    I just got back my 37 marker results. I have 8 matches with a genetic distance of 4 and none less than 4. My ysearch.org ID is RJKGE. What conclusions can I reach? Am I an atypical R1b1c? Are matches with a distance of 4 meaningful?

    Lloyd A.
    R1b1c
    The following link might be useful for you:

    http://www.familytreedna.com/GDRules_37.html

    Enjoy your reading.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by lapp15
      I just got back my 37 marker results. I have 8 matches with a genetic distance of 4 and none less than 4. My ysearch.org ID is RJKGE. What conclusions can I reach? Am I an atypical R1b1c? Are matches with a distance of 4 meaningful?
      It depends on what you mean by meaningful.

      A genetic distance of 4-6 with people in your haplogroup is not at all uncommon. One of your closest matches is reported on ySearch as R1b1c6 (the most common Western European sublcade in ySearch is R1b1c7), and if you are R1b1c6 then this would indeed be "atypical" in Europe.

      http://www.geocities.com/mcewanjc/m167.htm

      If you are curious about your haplogroup, you could take a SNP test.

      http://www.familytreedna.com/deepclade.html#deepR1b

      I'd recommend joining the R1b project as well.

      http://www.familytreedna.com/public/r1b/index.aspx

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      • #4
        Originally posted by lapp15
        I just got back my 37 marker results. I have 8 matches with a genetic distance of 4 and none less than 4. My ysearch.org ID is RJKGE. What conclusions can I reach? Am I an atypical R1b1c? Are matches with a distance of 4 meaningful?

        Lloyd A.
        R1b1c

        at 37 markers yeah

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        • #5
          meaningful match

          Originally posted by lapp15
          I just got back my 37 marker results. I have 8 matches with a genetic distance of 4 and none less than 4. My ysearch.org ID is RJKGE. What conclusions can I reach? Am I an atypical R1b1c? Are matches with a distance of 4 meaningful?

          Lloyd A.
          R1b1c

          T246R is a 25/25 match with you and belongs to your haplogroup R1b1c. I dont know if it gets much more meaningful than that. He is Jewish. Are you? By the way, I dont even have a single 12/12 match.

          regards,

          bob

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          • #6
            37 Marker Question

            Originally posted by bob_chasm
            T246R is a 25/25 match with you and belongs to your haplogroup R1b1c. I dont know if it gets much more meaningful than that. He is Jewish. Are you? By the way, I dont even have a single 12/12 match.

            regards,

            bob
            I am Ashkenazi Jewish. The 25/25 match and a 33/37 match from Hungary is Jewish also. Another 30/32 from Jazlowiec, Galicia/Galizien/Halychyna, Austria could be Jewish
            .

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            • #7
              meaningful match

              Originally posted by lapp15
              I am Ashkenazi Jewish. The 25/25 match and a 33/37 match from Hungary is Jewish also. Another 30/32 from Jazlowiec, Galicia/Galizien/Halychyna, Austria could be Jewish.
              In my opinion, T246R with a 25/25 match and the same haplogroup sub clade as you, is far more likely to have shared a recent common paternal ancestor (less than 300 years and possibly only a 100 years ago) with you than someone with a 33/37 match.

              regards,

              bob

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              • #8
                huh?

                Originally posted by vineviz
                It depends on what you mean by meaningful.

                A genetic distance of 4-6 with people in your haplogroup is not at all uncommon. One of your closest matches is reported on ySearch as R1b1c6 (the most common Western European sublcade in ySearch is R1b1c7), and if you are R1b1c6 then this would indeed be "atypical" in Europe.

                http://www.geocities.com/mcewanjc/m167.htm

                If you are curious about your haplogroup, you could take a SNP test.

                http://www.familytreedna.com/deepclade.html#deepR1b

                I'd recommend joining the R1b project as well.

                http://www.familytreedna.com/public/r1b/index.aspx
                I checked his results on ysearch, and his results come nowhere close to R1b1c6. I had selected a minimum of 8 markers, and genetic distance of 3, 4, but when I selected 5 he only showed with 3 folks from R1b1c6. At genetic distance 6, he came up with around 6 of R1b1c6 folk (that's less than half the persons listed as R1b1c6). I don't think he's R1b1c6, is he?

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                • #9
                  Deep SNP test

                  Originally posted by lapp15
                  I am Ashkenazi Jewish. The 25/25 match and a 33/37 match from Hungary is Jewish also. Another 30/32 from Jazlowiec, Galicia/Galizien/Halychyna, Austria could be Jewish
                  .
                  Have you done the deep SNP test yet?? This would be more revealing.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by bob_chasm
                    In my opinion, T246R with a 25/25 match and the same haplogroup sub clade as you, is far more likely to have shared a recent common paternal ancestor (less than 300 years and possibly only a 100 years ago) with you than someone with a 33/37 match.
                    This is true, but since he is of a variety of R1b not found in the Middle East, perhaps he is trying to figure out where and when the fateful intermarriage of his R1b ancestor and a Jewish woman occurred.

                    My own reading of his near neighbors (Germans in Ysearch) is that the intermarriage probably occurred north of the Alps (German Rhineland or Switzerland). Historically, the most logical time for this would be around the founding of the Ashkenazi Jewish community there in the 9th and 10th centuries.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by vineviz
                      It depends on what you mean by meaningful.

                      A genetic distance of 4-6 with people in your haplogroup is not at all uncommon. One of your closest matches is reported on ySearch as R1b1c6 (the most common Western European sublcade in ySearch is R1b1c7), and if you are R1b1c6 then this would indeed be "atypical" in Europe.

                      http://www.geocities.com/mcewanjc/m167.htm

                      If you are curious about your haplogroup, you could take a SNP test.

                      http://www.familytreedna.com/deepclade.html#deepR1b

                      I'd recommend joining the R1b project as well.

                      http://www.familytreedna.com/public/r1b/index.aspx
                      I am at a distance of 10 in a 25 marker with members of my own family(whom I am of the mindset that I am probably not in this family) but share the same haplogroup, how is this possible?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by SaintManx
                        I am at a distance of 10 in a 25 marker with members of my own family(whom I am of the mindset that I am probably not in this family) but share the same haplogroup, how is this possible?
                        Easily. Although 'random convergence' can cause almost unrelated men to have fairly similar haplotypes, it is usual for almost unrelated men to have a large genetic distance between them.

                        In your case, I agree with your assessment: If the genetic distance between you and other alleged members of your family is 10 in 25 markers, your most recent common patrilineal ancestor was probably several thousand years ago. I hope that this is not a painful shock to you.

                        Of course, it's theoretically possible that your sample was mixed up with someone else's, etc.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by lgmayka
                          Easily. Although 'random convergence' can cause almost unrelated men to have fairly similar haplotypes, it is usual for almost unrelated men to have a large genetic distance between them.

                          In your case, I agree with your assessment: If the genetic distance between you and other alleged members of your family is 10 in 25 markers, your most recent common patrilineal ancestor was probably several thousand years ago. I hope that this is not a painful shock to you.

                          Of course, it's theoretically possible that your sample was mixed up with someone else's, etc.
                          Thanks for the clarification.

                          Painful shock? Mmm, not really, this is something that I have been dealing with for quite sometime. My family is quite stoic, and go to their graves with their dna and their secrets. I have been under scrutiny within my family for quite sometime and I may just be beginning to discern why. The only problem is that I cannot get a sample from my father so for the time I have to find another backdoor. Perhaps matching up with my sibling could verify our relationship and the likeliness of our relationship with my father. We are six years apart so this could shed some light upon probabilities of my or he being born out of wedlock.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Arch Yeomans
                            I checked his results on ysearch, and his results come nowhere close to R1b1c6. I had selected a minimum of 8 markers, and genetic distance of 3, 4, but when I selected 5 he only showed with 3 folks from R1b1c6. At genetic distance 6, he came up with around 6 of R1b1c6 folk (that's less than half the persons listed as R1b1c6). I don't think he's R1b1c6, is he?
                            I did a search on 37 markers.

                            http://www.ysearch.org/search_result...haplo=&region=

                            There is one person identified as R1b1c6 at 33/37. Everyone else lists their haplogroup as unknown, R1b, R1b1, or R1b1c. I wouldn't say he is conclusively R1b1c6, or even probably R1b1c6, but I'd feel comfortable saying he is possibly R1b1c6.

                            Besides, I think he is a lot closer to the R1b1c6 modal than to the R1b1c7 modal.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by vineviz

                              Besides, I think he is a lot closer to the R1b1c6 modal than to the R1b1c7 modal.
                              Is there a distinctive R1b1c6 modal haplotype? I read somewhere that R1b1c6 is indistinguishable from R1b1c* on the basis of STR values alone.

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