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  • J2 -- M67 & M172

    Interesting article:

    http://jogg.info/11/coffman.htm

    Focuses on Jewish geneaology. Interesting.

    There isn't much out there on the M304 that I could find, however.

    The thrust of the article is the occurance of Js among Ashkenadze and Sephardic Jews and European vs. Israelite ancestry.

    Also, on J2s and their expansion. Are these sub-clades primarily Agean, Mediterranean and maritime vs. Neolithic.

  • #2
    Excellent Article

    This article is excellent one not only on Jewish Y dna history but also on European Y dna history. As for Khazars theory, there should be some N haplogroup there because, IMHO, a Turkic group should include all central Asian Turkic Y dna, namely R1a,R1b,N,Q and some J2 which are the main haplogroups you can find in Turkestan today. Turkestan consists of Turkmenistan, Uyghur region in China, Uzbekistan, Kazakhistan and Altai Republic in Russia. In today's Turkey there seems to be more than 5% group N in accordance with Cinnioglu which is a unusual haplogroup for Middle East.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by LernerTzvi
      Here is the most important part of the article regarding J2f:

      "Sub-clade J-M67* presents an equally complex picture among Jewish populations. Ashkenazi Jews have 4.9% and Sephardim have 2.4% (Semino et al. 2004). Again, J-67* is present among populations in the northern Levant (Iraqis have 4.5% and Lebanese have 2.5%), but frequency and variance is significantly greater in Europe and Turkey than in the Middle East (Semino et al. 2004). Thus, whether Jews obtained their J-M67* ancestry from Israelite, European, or a mixture of ancestors remains unknown at this point in time."


      It is really hard to say right now if Jews obtained their J-M67* ancestry from Israelites or Europeans. The most likely scenario I am thinking though would be that it would be a mixture, although I could be wrong. Are there any sources out there that speak of a large conversion of West Asian or Southeast European peoples to Judaism? If there was a large conversion maybe many of them contributed J-M67* to the Jewish gene pool.



      Y-DNA: J2a*

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      • #4
        Yes, the Greek converts, among others. I brought it up in in the thread "Jewish Haplogroup Origin Controversy", post 61 , concerning haplogroup E3b-M78 alpha.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by LeoLoS
          Yes, the Greek converts, among others. I brought it up in in the thread "Jewish Haplogroup Origin Controversy", post 61 , concerning haplogroup E3b-M78 alpha.


          There ya go then. Maybe some of the J2f came from Greek converts.



          Y-DNA: J2a*

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