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    Hey
    Please provide me with all the information you know about J2f.
    Thanks
    Viktor

  • #2
    Originally posted by ViktorA
    Hey
    Please provide me with all the information you know about J2f.
    Thanks
    Viktor
    Try starting here to look for informtion j2f.

    dna-forums.org Wiki Project a Genetic Genealogy Community
    Online article database dealing in Genealogy and Genetic DNA research as it pertains to genealogy studies and research.

    http://wiki.dna-forums.org/index.php/Main_Page

    An example to use the Wiki Database: In the search function, type in the keyword Haplogroup. This will give you information on Haplogroup types and references to materials about a particular haplogroup type.

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    • #3
      According to Semino et al, M67* (i.e testing positive for M67 and negative for M92 & M163 = J2f*), is most widespread in Caucaus region. It also states that this lineage shows higher frequencies in Europe and Turkey than in the Middle East.

      According to Di Giacomo et al 2004, it is found in:

      10.2% in Crete
      5.4% in Turkey
      4% in Greece
      4.3% in Azerbaijan
      4.2% in South Italy
      2.6% in Bulgaria
      2.1 % in Egypt
      2.0 % in Syria
      0.8% in North Italy & Romania
      0% in Iran, Sardinia, Morocco, Oman, Russia, Slovak Rep, UAE, UK, Ukraine.

      Other literature:

      3.63% in Turkey (Cinnioglu et al 2004)

      0% in India (Sengupta et al 2005)

      3.03% in North Iranians and 1.71% in South Iranians (Regueiro et al 2006)

      According to Di Giacomo et al, The age of this lineage is estimated at one-half that of the J haplogroup.

      According to this same paper, this haplotype for this lineage is charachterized by 14-15-23-11-12 @ DYS markers 19-388-390-392-393.

      In Cinnaioglu et al, your particular haplotype matches number 273 and which was found in 1 Turk in Region 3 (NE of Turkey).
      Last edited by Shaibani; 4 November 2006, 03:26 AM.

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      • #4
        Ok thanks Shaibani.
        So it is not a typicall Arab haplogroup?

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        • #5
          I forgot to quote the Flores et al study which shows 5.94% for Jordan, which is higher than many other figures previously quoted.

          Whereas, it is still a small percentage when compared to the J1-M267 (12-40%) for example in Arabian countries, I would not exclude it as a lineage present in Arabs.

          As you might noticed from the Arabian Peninsula Project the Qahtanite branch is consistently J1. The Adnanite branch is not so, it has 1 G, 1 J2*, 1 J2f*, 2 J1s.

          So we will have to get more people from the Adnanite branch to be able to come to a conclusive answer to your question.
          Last edited by Shaibani; 4 November 2006, 06:11 AM.

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          • #6
            a male family member is J2f.
            I wish I could know if there is Jewish in his past
            there are rumors but we just don't know.
            Several of his three and four step mutations show azshcadnze and shephardic.
            His ancestor came over from Europe, we believe,
            but we don't know where.

            I also found these websites:

            http://www.j2-ydnaproject.net/

            http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read...-07/1090603264

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            • #7
              The Haplogroup J project also has some J2f results:

              http://www.ftdna.com/public/Y-DNA_J

              Two of my extended family members are J2f (different paternal lines). Both are Ashkenazi Jewish.

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              • #8
                My father's paternal line is also J2f and it is Ashkenazi Jewish from Poland for as many generations back as we can trace.
                Judy

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by LernerTzvi
                  If FamilyTreeDNA is unsure as to how many thousands of years ago J2f separated from other J2 branches, I am curious how far back it goes. I wonder if J2f directly descends to Abrahams sons in which we are part of one of the tribes. It would be scary to imagine that J2f is really a line to Esau or a Roman soldier that raped a Jewish woman. Either way, the J2f line was honorable to Judaism since many J2f's today have parents that are Jewish.
                  Di Giacomo estimates the age of the J2f lineage to be one-half that of the J Haplogroup. So if we say the age of the J Haplogroup is 10,000 - 15,000 years ago (according to Dr.Wells), this means J2f emerged 5000 - 7500 years ago.

                  Semino estimates it at 11,600 +- 2600 years. Which puts it in the range of 9000 - 14200 years.

                  Whichever estimate is considered it seems that this lineage emerged well before the Roman empire, even before Esau himself.

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                  • #10
                    So it might be the other way round, that Esau was a J2f.

                    Looking at Viktor's results and comparing thim against the CMH- 12 marker signature ,(as reported in wiki) I see that he is only a 3 step mutation from it. According to the criteria set by FTDNA for showing the Cohen Match icon, they "allow a total of 3 'steps' from the 12 marker 'modal'", yet Viktor doesn't reflect that Cohen Match icon. It maybe that he was excluded based on his 25 marker results, as FTDNA states: " We believe that our 25 marker test is providing enough 'signal' to separate Neolithic farmers from more recent migrations of Jews out of the Middle East and into Europe and North Africa, which happened in the last 2,000 years."

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                    • #11
                      J1 or J2

                      Originally posted by Shaibani
                      So it might be the other way round, that Esau was a J2f.

                      Looking at Viktor's results and comparing thim against the CMH- 12 marker signature ,(as reported in wiki) I see that he is only a 3 step mutation from it. According to the criteria set by FTDNA for showing the Cohen Match icon, they "allow a total of 3 'steps' from the 12 marker 'modal'", yet Viktor doesn't reflect that Cohen Match icon. It maybe that he was excluded based on his 25 marker results, as FTDNA states: " We believe that our 25 marker test is providing enough 'signal' to separate Neolithic farmers from more recent migrations of Jews out of the Middle East and into Europe and North Africa, which happened in the last 2,000 years."

                      Is it possible that the incon is reserved for those in the J1 haplogroup?

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                      • #12
                        3 or 5 step?

                        Originally posted by Shaibani
                        ... Looking at Viktor's results and comparing thim against the CMH- 12 marker signature ,(as reported in wiki) I see that he is only a 3 step mutation from it. According to the criteria set by FTDNA for showing the Cohen Match icon, they "allow a total of 3 'steps' from the 12 marker 'modal'", yet Viktor doesn't reflect that Cohen Match icon. It maybe that he was excluded based on his 25 marker results, as FTDNA states: " We believe that our 25 marker test is providing enough 'signal' to separate Neolithic farmers from more recent migrations of Jews out of the Middle East and into Europe and North Africa, which happened in the last 2,000 years."
                        It seems to me, he is 2 steps away in the first six markers. On the second six, he is 3 steps away. 2 steps away on dys 439 and 1 step on dys 389-2. That makes him a total of 5 steps away from the 12 marker CMH. Let me know if you think Im wrong.

                        regards,

                        bob

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by bob_chasm
                          Is it possible that the incon is reserved for those in the J1 haplogroup?
                          My brother is J2f and has the icon
                          Judy

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                          • #14
                            Coen? Erasu?

                            What can you tell me about this?
                            Does it seem "Jewish"?
                            Is this Coen? I believe it's 1-3 off.
                            Who was Erasu
                            What about Ashkanaze?
                            This is the J2f:
                            DYS
                            393 12
                            390 23
                            19/394 14
                            391 10
                            385a 13
                            385b 17
                            426 11
                            388 15
                            439 10
                            3891 14
                            392 11
                            3892 30

                            M67

                            any info appreciated!

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                            • #15
                              Many, Many 3 step mutations and 4 step were Ashkenaze and Sephardic as well. This is for a male family member.

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