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  • Best GEDmatch calculator for British/Irish DNA?

    Hello all! I was curious about if there is a way to separate British & Irish DNA? I know it can be hard because they're very similar to each other genetically-speaking but I just thought it'd be kind of fun to see how much I was of each. I have known heritage of both England and Ireland on both sides of my family but no clue how much I am lol. I'm aware GEDmatch is not always accurate and it really depends on what calculator is better for your known background but I was just curious if anyone had any suggestions for the best calculator to use? I tried Eurogenes but it gives my top two pops as German and Dutch which should be VERY much lower than that from what I know but MDLP gives the top two pops as Irish and then English on some calcs and then Irish and Scottish on others.
    I'd love to take the LivingDNA test to better separate all this but at the moment, I have no funds to do so.

    Also, I'd be more than happy to supply my kit number and/or calculator results if that may help.

    Thanks!

  • #2
    I can post both my Eurogenes and MDLP results if that will help.

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    • #3
      Eurogenes K13:

      Admix Results (sorted):
      # Population Percent
      1 North_Atlantic 43.22
      2 Baltic 19.87
      3 West_Med 11.64
      4 Amerindian 8.53
      5 East_Med 7.43
      6 West_Asian 7.11
      --------------------------------

      Least-squares method.
      Using 1 population approximation:
      1 West_German @ 9.052741
      2 South_Dutch @ 9.819513
      3 Southeast_English @ 12.159402
      4 North_German @ 12.321522
      5 French @ 12.390727
      6 Orcadian @ 13.347806
      7 Danish @ 13.435781
      8 North_Dutch @ 13.452124
      9 Southwest_English @ 13.882141
      10 Irish @ 13.946835
      11 West_Scottish @ 14.430341
      12 Austrian @ 14.771218
      13 Norwegian @ 15.355006
      14 Swedish @ 16.239401
      15 East_German @ 16.306555
      16 Hungarian @ 18.067236
      17 Spanish_Cataluna @ 19.649393
      18 North_Swedish @ 20.334534
      19 Portuguese @ 20.478720
      20 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 20.641809

      Using 2 populations approximation:
      1 50% West_German +50% West_German @ 9.052741

      Using 3 populations approximation:
      1 50% Irish +25% Italian_Abruzzo +25% Norwegian @ 8.515455

      Using 4 populations approximation:
      ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++
      1 Irish + Irish + Italian_Abruzzo + Norwegian @ 8.515455
      2 Irish + Italian_Abruzzo + Norwegian + Orcadian @ 8.524948
      3 Irish + Italian_Abruzzo + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 8.543814
      4 Ashkenazi + Irish + Irish + Irish @ 8.552983
      5 Norwegian + Norwegian + South_Italian + West_Scottish @ 8.559314
      6 Italian_Abruzzo + Norwegian + Orcadian + West_Scottish @ 8.560561
      7 Irish + Norwegian + Norwegian + South_Italian @ 8.567779
      8 Italian_Abruzzo + Norwegian + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 8.572265
      9 Irish + Irish + Norwegian + South_Italian @ 8.577133
      10 Irish + Irish + Norwegian + West_Sicilian @ 8.577433
      11 East_Sicilian + Irish + Irish + Norwegian @ 8.577509
      12 Irish + Irish + Italian_Abruzzo + Swedish @ 8.578673
      13 East_Sicilian + Irish + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 8.579727
      14 Irish + Italian_Abruzzo + Swedish + West_Scottish @ 8.580117
      15 Irish + Norwegian + South_Italian + West_Scottish @ 8.588874
      16 Italian_Abruzzo + Norwegian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 8.592958
      17 Ashkenazi + Irish + Irish + Norwegian @ 8.593231
      18 Irish + Italian_Abruzzo + Norwegian + Norwegian @ 8.594102
      19 East_Sicilian + Norwegian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 8.594948
      20 Central_Greek + Irish + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 8.596751

      Eurogenes K15:

      Admix Results (sorted):
      # Population Percent
      1 North_Sea 28.47
      2 Atlantic 27.82
      3 Eastern_Euro 9.11
      4 Amerindian 8.12
      5 West_Med 7.71
      6 West_Asian 7.57
      7 Baltic 6.53
      8 East_Med 2.94
      --------------------------------

      Least-squares method.
      Using 1 population approximation:
      1 South_Dutch @ 10.396773
      2 North_German @ 11.882204
      3 Southeast_English @ 12.106511
      4 Southwest_English @ 12.367216
      5 French @ 12.882952
      6 Irish @ 13.107317
      7 West_German @ 13.199613
      8 Danish @ 13.417680
      9 West_Scottish @ 13.603354
      10 North_Dutch @ 14.113220
      11 Orcadian @ 14.702747
      12 East_German @ 16.385845
      13 Norwegian @ 16.975586
      14 Swedish @ 18.006895
      15 Austrian @ 18.103964
      16 West_Norwegian @ 18.358809
      17 North_Swedish @ 18.920988
      18 Spanish_Cataluna @ 19.419649
      19 Spanish_Galicia @ 20.093679
      20 Hungarian @ 20.130320

      Using 2 populations approximation:
      1 50% South_Dutch +50% South_Dutch @ 10.396773

      Using 3 populations approximation:
      1 50% Irish +25% Italian_Abruzzo +25% West_Scottish @ 10.046258

      Using 4 populations approximation:
      ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++
      1 French_Basque + Tabassaran + West_Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 9.575779
      2 French_Basque + Irish + Tabassaran + West_Norwegian @ 9.625417
      3 French_Basque + Orcadian + Tabassaran + West_Norwegian @ 9.727967
      4 French_Basque + Tabassaran + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 9.732312
      5 French_Basque + Norwegian + Tabassaran + West_Scottish @ 9.752645
      6 French_Basque + Orcadian + Tabassaran + West_Scottish @ 9.780807
      7 French_Basque + Irish + Norwegian + Tabassaran @ 9.813082
      8 French_Basque + Irish + Tabassaran + West_Scottish @ 9.818098
      9 French_Basque + Southeast_English + Tabassaran + West_Norwegian @ 9.830394
      10 French_Basque + Irish + Orcadian + Tabassaran @ 9.848193
      11 French_Basque + Norwegian + Orcadian + Tabassaran @ 9.855463
      12 French_Basque + Tabassaran + West_Norwegian + West_Norwegian @ 9.898278
      13 Danish + French_Basque + Tabassaran + West_Norwegian @ 9.902143
      14 French_Basque + Irish + Irish + Tabassaran @ 9.920007
      15 French_Basque + Orcadian + Orcadian + Tabassaran @ 9.920954
      16 Danish + French_Basque + Tabassaran + West_Scottish @ 9.934375
      17 French_Basque + Swedish + Tabassaran + West_Scottish @ 9.935553
      18 French_Basque + North_Dutch + Tabassaran + West_Scottish @ 9.950743
      19 French_Basque + North_Dutch + Tabassaran + West_Norwegian @ 9.960794
      20 Danish + French_Basque + Orcadian + Tabassaran @ 9.975500

      EuTest:

      Admix Results (sorted):
      # Population Percent
      1 ATLANTIC 25.42
      2 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 22.28
      3 EAST_EURO 14.12
      4 WEST_MED 12.18
      5 SOUTH_BALTIC 9.74
      6 WEST_ASIAN 7.88
      7 SIBERIAN 3.57
      8 EAST_MED 1.35
      --------------------------------

      Least-squares method.
      Using 1 population approximation:
      1 IE @ 9.155595
      2 Cornish @ 9.487960
      3 Orcadian @ 9.600861
      4 NL @ 9.632850
      5 West_&_Central_German @ 9.948681
      6 English @ 10.812077
      7 Scottish @ 11.074327
      8 DK @ 11.461328
      9 NO @ 12.241057
      10 South_&_Central_Swedish @ 13.260803
      11 AT @ 13.714893
      12 FR @ 13.800838
      13 North_Swedish @ 14.457231
      14 HU @ 18.198103
      15 Serbian @ 20.697182
      16 PT @ 20.731241
      17 ES @ 20.926508
      18 South_Finnish @ 22.056108
      19 RO @ 23.560633
      20 North_Italian @ 23.995420

      Using 2 populations approximation:
      1 50% AT +50% IE @ 8.469590

      Using 3 populations approximation:
      1 50% IE +25% PT +25% Udmurt @ 5.703756

      Using 4 populations approximation:
      +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
      1 French_Basque + IE + IE + Komi @ 5.418222
      2 English + French_Basque + IE + Komi @ 5.430212
      3 French_Basque + IE + Komi + NL @ 5.463495
      4 ES + IE + IE + Komi @ 5.465700
      5 ES + IE + IE + Udmurt @ 5.506518
      6 French_Basque + IE + Komi + West_&_Central_German @ 5.519913
      7 French_Basque + IE + Komi + Orcadian @ 5.584440
      8 ES + IE + Komi + Scottish @ 5.663043
      9 English + French_Basque + Komi + Orcadian @ 5.673468
      10 Cornish + French_Basque + IE + Komi @ 5.682209
      11 IE + IE + PT + Udmurt @ 5.703756
      12 French_Basque + Komi + NL + Orcadian @ 5.723494
      13 DK + French_Basque + IE + Komi @ 5.739677
      14 ES + IE + Scottish + Udmurt @ 5.757164
      15 French_Basque + Komi + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 5.778224
      16 French_Basque + Komi + Orcadian + West_&_Central_German @ 5.802955
      17 French_Basque + Komi + NL + Scottish @ 5.809126
      18 English + French_Basque + Komi + Scottish @ 5.811257
      19 English + English + French_Basque + Komi @ 5.827115
      20 IE + IE + Komi + PT @ 5.832119

      MDLP K16:

      Admix Results (sorted):
      # Population Percent
      1 Neolithic 28.14
      2 Steppe 24.33
      3 NorthEastEuropean 21.30
      4 Caucasian 17.82
      5 Amerindian 6.85
      --------------------------------

      Least-squares method.
      Using 1 population approximation:
      1 Irish_Cork_Kerry @ 7.589468
      2 Irish_Connacht @ 7.654788
      3 Scottish_Highlands @ 7.852990
      4 Scottish_Grampian @ 7.883391
      5 Irish_Munster @ 7.936181
      6 French_WestFrance @ 8.043454
      7 Scottish_Fife @ 8.050070
      8 Irish_Leinster @ 8.187064
      9 Scottish_Dumfries_Galloway @ 8.262214
      10 Irish_Ulster @ 8.349560
      11 English_England @ 8.389971
      12 English_Cornwall @ 8.520717
      13 English_Kent @ 8.646448
      14 Scottish_Borders @ 8.701066
      15 French_France @ 8.731846
      16 Shetlandic_Shetland_Islands @ 8.866912
      17 French_NorthwestFrance @ 9.174545
      18 Welsh_Wales @ 9.500727
      19 Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 9.546974
      20 Dutch_Netherlands @ 9.645908

      Using 2 populations approximation:
      1 50% Provencal_Provence +50% Scottish_Argyll_bute @ 7.433271

      Using 3 populations approximation:
      1 50% Orcadian_Orkney_Islands +25% Spanish_Pais_Vasco +25% Kumyk_Stalskoe @ 6.777983

      Using 4 populations approximation:
      ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++
      1 Basque_Spain + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands + Kumyk_Stalskoe + Swede_Sweden @ 6.773558
      2 Orcadian_Orkney_Islands + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands + Spanish_Pais_Vasco + Kumyk_Stalskoe @ 6.777983
      3 Basque_Spain + Finn_WestFinland + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands + Kumyk_Stalskoe @ 6.794698
      4 Basque_Spain + Norwegian_Norwegia + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands + Kumyk_Stalskoe @ 6.818121
      5 Basque_Spain + Icelandic_Iceland + Kumyk_Stalskoe + Swede_Sweden @ 6.826188
      6 Basque_Spain + Norwegian_Norwegia + Kumyk_Stalskoe + Swede_Sweden @ 6.829068
      7 Basque_Spain + Norwegian_Norwegia + Norwegian_Norwegia + Kumyk_Stalskoe @ 6.834383
      8 Norwegian_Norwegia + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands + Spanish_Pais_Vasco + Kumyk_Stalskoe @ 6.838516
      9 Icelandic_Iceland + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands + Spanish_Pais_Vasco + Kumyk_Stalskoe @ 6.838696
      10 Basque_Spain + Scottish_Argyll_bute + Kumyk_Stalskoe + Swede_Sweden @ 6.838906
      11 Basque_France + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands + Kumyk_Stalskoe + Swede_Sweden @ 6.852724
      12 Basque_Spain + Finn_WestFinland + Scottish_Argyll_bute + Kumyk_Stalskoe @ 6.854055
      13 Basque_Spain + Icelandic_Iceland + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands + Kumyk_Stalskoe @ 6.855394
      14 French_SouthFrance + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands + Kumyk_Stalskoe @ 6.858002
      15 Basque_Spain + Icelandic_Iceland + Norwegian_Norwegia + Kumyk_Stalskoe @ 6.865809
      16 Basque_Spain + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands + Kumyk_Stalskoe @ 6.870349
      17 Basque_Spain + Belarusian_Kobryn_Brest + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands + Kumyk_Stalskoe @ 6.873196
      18 Basque_France + Finn_WestFinland + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands + Kumyk_Stalskoe @ 6.876198
      19 Basque_Spain + Finn_Kuusamo + Orcadian_Orkney_Islands + Kumyk_Stalskoe @ 6.883253
      20 Orcadian_Orkney_Islands + Scottish_Argyll_bute + Spanish_Pais_Vasco + Kumyk_Stalskoe @ 6.885165

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      • #4
        MDLP K23b:

        Admix Results (sorted):
        # Population Percent
        1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 31.53
        2 European_Early_Farmers 24.54
        3 Caucasian 21.33
        4 Amerindian 7.65
        5 Ancestral_Altaic 5.57
        6 South_Central_Asian 5.57
        7 North_African 2.02
        --------------------------------

        Least-squares method.
        Using 1 population approximation:
        1 German-Volga_ @ 8.895257
        2 Irish_ @ 9.803950
        3 English_ @ 10.127581
        4 Belgian_ @ 10.416375
        5 Frisian_ @ 10.651871
        6 Dutch_ @ 10.659421
        7 South_German_ @ 10.821752
        8 North_European_ @ 11.113675
        9 English_Cornwall_GBR_ @ 11.161516
        10 English_Kent_GBR_ @ 11.442061
        11 CEU_ @ 11.598148
        12 Welsh_ @ 11.694822
        13 British_ @ 12.141272
        14 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR_ @ 12.384876
        15 Orcadian_ @ 13.044807
        16 German_East_ @ 13.330894
        17 Norwegian_East_ @ 13.542212
        18 Dane_ @ 13.710346
        19 Italian_North_ @ 13.760387
        20 Austrian_ @ 13.977453

        Using 2 populations approximation:
        1 50% Colombian_ +50% Kashub_ @ 6.701578

        Using 3 populations approximation:
        1 50% Dutch_ +25% Frisian_ +25% Mexican_CV_ @ 2.624289

        Using 4 populations approximation:
        ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
        1 Dutch_ + Dutch_ + Frisian_ + Mexican_CV_ @ 2.624289
        2 Dutch_ + Frisian_ + Frisian_ + Mexican_CV_ @ 2.822416
        3 Belgian_ + Dutch_ + Dutch_ + Mexican_CV_ @ 2.823414
        4 Dutch_ + Dutch_ + Dutch_ + Mexican_CV_ @ 2.833407
        5 Dutch_ + Frisian_ + German-Volga_ + Mexican_CV_ @ 2.851425
        6 Frisian_ + Frisian_ + Mexican_CV_ + Swede_Saami_ @ 2.892259
        7 Dutch_ + Frisian_ + Miwok_ + Serb_Serbia_ @ 2.892594
        8 Dutch_ + Dutch_ + Irish_ + Mexican_CV_ @ 2.902776
        9 Dutch_ + Dutch_ + German-Volga_ + Mexican_CV_ @ 2.922429
        10 Frisian_ + Miwok_ + Norwegian_East_ + Serb_Serbia_ @ 2.960377
        11 Dutch_ + Dutch_ + English_ + Mexican_CV_ @ 2.970238
        12 Frisian_ + Icelandic_ + Miwok_ + Serb_Serbia_ @ 2.986522
        13 British_ + Dutch_ + Miwok_ + Serb_Serbia_ @ 2.988368
        14 Belgian_ + Dutch_ + Frisian_ + Mexican_CV_ @ 2.992868
        15 Frisian_ + Miwok_ + Norwegian_West_ + Serb_Serbia_ @ 3.007320
        16 Dutch_ + Miwok_ + North_European_ + Serb_Serbia_ @ 3.033244
        17 Dane_ + Frisian_ + German-Volga_ + Mexican_CV_ @ 3.044091
        18 Frisian_ + Frisian_ + Miwok_ + Serb_Serbia_ @ 3.047404
        19 Croat_BH_ + English_Cornwall_GBR_ + Frisian_ + Miwok_ @ 3.049831
        20 Dutch_ + English_ + Miwok_ + Serb_Serbia_ @ 3.051476

        I score 43.9% on 23andMe for British & Irish and 15% for French & German so it seems to me that Dutch/German would be coming up a LOT less than it is on the Eurogenes calculators. Seems as if it's pulling more to Irish than English here but I'm not certain. Any thoughts?

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