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    This is old news to me, but I have a 12 marker match with a famous relative. I have found his website from his email. Look like he's Greek or Italian. I am German. That means that we're distantly related. Does anybody here related to a famous person? http://www.hlinko.com/
    Last edited by Richard Rauch; 16 October 2006, 12:59 AM.

  • #2
    Richard I don't think he's Greek and sure he isn't Italian. His surname sounds more like Slavic

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    • #3
      To find the general ethnic origin of last names I usually google them and see what countries (or languages) I see coming up on web sites with that name.

      I see Czech with the name Hlinko http://www.xpress.cz/7832

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      • #4
        I found the name mentioned on a genealogy web site about the village of Litmanova in the Carpathian mountain region of northeastern Slovakia among the Carpatho-Rusyn (Ruthenian) people here.

        When I first saw the name Hlinko I thought it looked and sounded Ukrainian.

        My mother-in-law was born and raised not too far from there in Lvov, Ukraine. She speaks Polish, Ukrainian, Russian, and German (but not much English).

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        • #5
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hlinka

          It's surname of famous russian composer too.

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          • #6
            Interesting situation. I did the "name ethnic check" through google with my 12/12 match from the Ukraine. The name was Polish. The mystery was solved when I got in touch with the 12/12 match, I found out his relatives were from the Ruthenian/Lemko/Carpatho-Rusyn "people group." These folks (or maybe we folk) have a connection to the Vlach and, ultimately may have originated from Romanized Thracians.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Richard Rauch
              This is old news to me, but I have a 12 marker match with a famous relative. I have found his website from his email. Look like he's Greek or Italian. I am German. That means that we're distantly related. Does anybody here related to a famous person? http://www.hlinko.com/
              hi Richard,

              You do know a 12/12 match doesn't mean it is a relative. You really need 37 markers to get a good idea. I have seen 12/12 and even 24/25 matches fall apart at higher marker comparisons.

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              • #8
                Just to emphasise the "feast and famine" aspect of matches, if you go to the samples of "what do I get when I'm tested," here's the 12 match results: http://www.familytreedna.com/(oupi1b45x1401545fncvln55)/trs_STR.aspx?
                In fact, the site says that 2.5% of people in Europe (they dwell in the R1b group) have itentical 12 markers. This shows that some of our forefathers have been busier than others...

                In contrast to Joe Lunchpail above, I have only 1 12 marker match. I will only go further than 25 (test due on Nov. 8) if that one is close.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Andrew M
                  In fact, the site says that 2.5% of people in Europe (they dwell in the R1b group) have itentical 12 markers. This shows that some of our forefathers have been busier than others...
                  Actually, what it shows is that 12 marker matches do not show proof of relation at all.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by GvdM
                    Actually, what it shows is that 12 marker matches do not show proof of relation at all.
                    They may not be related to a particular person, but to a very active force called the Western Atlantic Modal Haplotype. His work is described here: http://www.familytreedna.com/MatchWAMH.html

                    The part that made me think that some folk were busier than others was this description of WAMH from the site:

                    On a lighter note it’s clear that R1b’s Western Atlantic Modal Haplotype has contributed much more than its ‘fair share’ in populating Western Europe.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Andrew M
                      They may not be related to a particular person, but to a very active force called the Western Atlantic Modal Haplotype. His work is described here: http://www.familytreedna.com/MatchWAMH.html

                      The part that made me think that some folk were busier than others was this description of WAMH from the site:

                      On a lighter note it’s clear that R1b’s Western Atlantic Modal Haplotype has contributed much more than its ‘fair share’ in populating Western Europe.
                      Hi Andrew,

                      WAMH is actually nothing but a modal. It is not a haplogroup or a subclade. It is nothing more that the most common results for each marker in the R1b haplogroup in Western Europe as far as I can see. It means nothing as far as grouping people goes.
                      Last edited by GvdM; 16 October 2006, 11:04 PM.

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                      • #12
                        GvdM

                        Just a selfish question:

                        So then, if 12 markers are kinda weird like mine (I have seen a decent amount of people who match the first 3 but are way off in the middle, match the the middle few, but are off on the back end, or match the ends but not the middle) then 12 matches mean more? Or is it that not enough people have been tested?

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Andrew M
                          GvdM

                          Just a selfish question:

                          So then, if 12 markers are kinda weird like mine (I have seen a decent amount of people who match the first 3 but are way off in the middle, match the the middle few, but are off on the back end, or match the ends but not the middle) then 12 matches mean more? Or is it that not enough people have been tested?
                          It just means your line mutated off the modal. You could be the last of a line, or nobody close to you has been tested. Could be a lot of reasons. There are families that have only, for example, one male left from a long line that stretches back to the 12th century. It would be odd to see matches for that person. I have no 12 marker matches. Not even with my cousin. But we match 66/67 when out to 67 markers. A person that is close to the modal for their haplogroup would naturaly have more matches than someone farther from it. Then again, someone can have a 12/12 match but at 37 markers be a 25/37 so no relation what-so-ever.

                          Hope that helped.

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                          • #14
                            I have 28 matches with different surnames on 12 marker level. No matches on 25, 37 & 67 markers. Depending on my haplotype, does that mean that Mr. Hlinko and I are distantly related more than 1,000 years ago?
                            Last edited by Richard Rauch; 17 October 2006, 02:31 AM.

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                            • #15
                              I have a 25/32 match with a descendant of Charles Carter Lee (brother of General Robert E Lee) and a descendant of Richard Lee The Immigrant. Does that count?

                              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_family

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