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  • Originally posted by tomcat
    So each person is represented by a single bar and the height of bar indicates degree of affiliation - the shortest bars have greatest affiliation with background field? What do the bars mean that seem to descend from the top of the field - am I reading that right as descent?
    The populations are divived into 4 groups containing all individuals that are subjectivly/selfdesignated believed to belong to that group. Each vertical "stripe" is a individual, if a caucasian individual has no admixture he is red from top to buttom, if there is a individual that have admixture with the other 3 ethnicites he will have some of the colours to the other groups on his "stripe". You can see there is some persons that is seen as caucasians actually can have quite much african or native american admixture, some have over 50% and "should" be in another group.

    Noaide

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    • Originally posted by tomcat
      ...
      Marker1 A B
      Marker2 A B
      Marker3 A B
      ...
      If you can figure-out how to use four markers let me know.
      Duh, I have already done that. One can envision this procedure as a tree and you can extend this basic 3 marker set via branches. Basically every starting point is a big limb and every encounter with an additional marker with two alleles calls for a branching.

      So, after you get your basic eight combinations you can add another marker with two alleles. Let's say we have the zig-zag: M1/A M2/B, M3A and its mirror M1/B, M2/A, M3/B. At the end of each of those strings you can introduce another two allele marker. So, M1/A, M2/B, M3/A then branches to both M4/A and M4/B and its mirror branches to m4/A and M4/B. Then you have four strings and each of the four strings could branch, to eight strings, if you add another two allele marker.

      I suppose there is a mathematical routine to get to this but I don't know it and I, personally, have to assure myself, visually, that I hit all the bases, that I have accounted-for all possible combinations.
      Last edited by tomcat; 21 March 2007, 08:51 PM.

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      • I solved the decimal problem by simply mutliplying the data with 10, then I get a integer also reflecting the decimals in the data. The improved data didnt change much for you.

        Noaide

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        • Originally posted by Kathleen Carrow
          You know looking at his another way...if I were to put my 2 Scottish matches together and my 2 Irish matches together..since they are NOT mutually exclusive..

          It looks like this:
          #1 Estonia
          #2 Croatia
          #3 Germany
          #4 Scotland
          #5 Ireland
          #6 Austria
          #7 Czech
          #8 Denmark
          #9 Norway
          #10 Poland

          AND
          if I put all the Scots & Irish together..
          They would be #1
          Hi
          I had posted this 2 weeks ago..we were getting lots of stuff in but here is how D2 and D19 changed my breakdown of ENSI Scores..and I tested them as I heard they were informative for European..
          Could not get good reading from OMNIPOP..I think I got Byelorussia..? Many were 00..OMNIPOP does not like those markers I take it?

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          • I have been looking at lists of ENFSI matches geographically, each match a point with a line leading to the next match point. I don't make any claims of 'significance' for this approach. For me it is just visual.

            I just reviewed KC's complete ENFSI list and my cats-cradle of lines and points shows three major geographic foci, one in the northeast beginning with Estonia followed by Czech Rep. and Poland, one in the Irelands and Scotland, and a third in south central Europe involving Croatia, Austria, Slovenia and Switzerland.

            Geographically, the northeast cluster is quite open or spread-out compared to the Irelands-Scotland cluster or the very close south central Europe cluster. But all regions have a more or less equal distribution in the list of matches - eastern European matches place at 1, 8, and 13, 'Celtic' matches at 4, 7, 10 and 16, southcentral European matches at 2, 5, 6 and 12.

            Owing to a lower exponent for the top-scoring Estonian match, the eastern European would lead the list in match points, followed by the south central cluster, and then the 'Celtic' cluster.

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            • Is this?

              I found this today at Rootsweb,,appears to be a new thread..is this what Noaide is looking at with Tom??
              CODIS with Structure..
              http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read...-03/1174559806
              can one of you help poor ol' me..have been under the weather a bit.. but am responding well to predisone by mouth but it does not do wonders for sleep which means I REALLY can't think..more than natural..

              I have uploaded all new markers..one left I think?

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              • Could be Noaide, working another forum But yeah, STRUCTURE is the app Noaide has been working-with to try admixture analysis.

                Nother thing - today at the ENFSI site, I punched in my numbers and did another calculation, and noted that the displayed results were different from that contained in a .pdf of an earlier calculation - seriously different, results displayed had Italy in second place and .pdf had Italy in seventh! So, I tried a new .pdf and got the same variance. I also tried the Print-Print Preview option which did present a faithful screen-shot of the results page.

                Anyone got a clue?

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                • Originally posted by tomcat
                  Anyone got a clue?
                  Tried again, if you choose Print and then Save as .pdf in Print dialog box you get a faithful rendition. But if you initiate via Acrobat button, you may get something ODD.

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                  • ENFSI results with D2 and D19
                    E14's
                    Switzerland 1.4898
                    Italy 1.0666
                    (All family tested pulled Tribes matches to Liguria and/or Piedmont, top matches for some, best score 153.1).
                    E15's
                    Spain 8.8728
                    Denmark 7.8533
                    Sweden 7.4009
                    Netherlands 6.8603
                    Lille 6.8184
                    Portugal 5.7415
                    No. Ireland 3.8925
                    Dundee 3.8263
                    Belgium 3.3279
                    Norway 2.9398
                    Slovenia 2.5889
                    Ireland 2.5664
                    Toulouse 2.5534
                    Wales 2.2107

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                    • Autosomal Numbers

                      Hello ; I will post all str # s ,including latest X # s. D3S1358-15,18, THO1-9.3,9.3, D21S11-29,30, D18S51,-14,16, D5S818-10,12, D13S317-12,13,D7S820-11,11,D16S539-11,14, CSF1PO-11,13, vWA-16,16, D8S1179-14,15,TPOX-11,11 , FGA-20,25. D19S433-13,14, D2S1338-17,24 . DXS10011-30,32.2, DXS10066- 9,23 DXS10067-15,16 , DXS10068-17,21 , DXS10069-16,17, DXS10131-9,10. Would really appreciate comments ,input , I have a lot of Basque country ,Spain & Italy & Hispanic in my official Tribes results.,ONE Caucasian result. I do look more Euro ( French ?) than British. Thank you in advance , KAT.

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                      • Originally posted by kat
                        Hello ; I will post all str # s ,including latest X # s. D3S1358-15,18, THO1-9.3,9.3, D21S11-29,30, D18S51,-14,16, D5S818-10,12, D13S317-12,13,D7S820-11,11,D16S539-11,14, CSF1PO-11,13, vWA-16,16, D8S1179-14,15,TPOX-11,11 , FGA-20,25. D19S433-13,14, D2S1338-17,24 . DXS10011-30,32.2, DXS10066- 9,23 DXS10067-15,16 , DXS10068-17,21 , DXS10069-16,17, DXS10131-9,10. Would really appreciate comments ,input , I have a lot of Basque country ,Spain & Italy & Hispanic in my official Tribes results.,ONE Caucasian result. I do look more Euro ( French ?) than British. Thank you in advance , KAT.
                        The X results REALLY ought to be posted to the X db at
                        www.dna-fingerprint.com
                        You can also post your autosomals there but there is no searchable autosomal db at DNA-F.

                        There are lots of labor-intensive things you can do with autosomals - search on ENNFSI Omnipop, and all the info you need is in this thread, just read it, and ask questions of the users.

                        What IS (are) the question(s) you are trying to answer with DNA?
                        Last edited by tomcat; 22 March 2007, 09:38 PM.

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                        • Re;x Results

                          Hello ; Sorry , Tom, I should have put my results on th X PAGE !! Im adopted & am interested,curious,etc. etc.,., along with many other descriptive words, hoping to discover my heritage.,KAT.

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                          • Originally posted by kat
                            Hello ; Sorry , Tom, I should have put my results on th X PAGE !! Im adopted & am interested,curious,etc. etc.,., along with many other descriptive words, hoping to discover my heritage.,KAT.
                            No problems. My mother was 'adopted'. There are lots of posters with similar 'issues'.

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                            • Originally posted by kat
                              Hello ; Sorry , Tom, I should have put my results on th X PAGE !! Im adopted & am interested,curious,etc. etc.,., along with many other descriptive words, hoping to discover my heritage.,KAT.
                              I ran your numbers. See page 143 of this thread.

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                              • Originally posted by Kathleen Carrow
                                ... D2 and D19 ... Could not get good reading from OMNIPOP..I think I got Byelorussia..? Many were 00..OMNIPOP does not like those markers I take it?
                                Limited data for D2 and D19 on Omnipop and always at the foot of results page - scroll down past many zeros - !3 populations covered.

                                I made a tentative attribution of alleles to parents based on these limited results. Ashkenazi are not covered for D2 & 19 but, according to Tribes, Ashkenazi have affinities with Balkans and Eastern Europeans who are represented in these samples by Podlasie Poles, Byelorussians, Serbians, and Kosovo Albanians. MN Native Americans are covered for D2 &19, and while I have reservations about using Native American data as determinative, even when I let Ashkenazi-like matches determine the outcome, with the default going to NA, the attributions hold.

                                Then I tested the attributions on ENFSI.

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