Tribes scores

[NormanGalway]

John,

This list means you match no one.
I had the same problem when I ran "penta,"
because apparently the data for those markers is largely
missing from many of the population studies.
if you take out penta, you will get some results...

you need to get a positive exponent for a "match."

[tomcat]

Go to www.dna-fingerprint.com
and check the Links to External Databases
try ALFRED and Uni-Duesseldorf, Uni-D has LOTS of stuff!
You could also poke-around the CSTL site (where we get Omnipop) and see if they have anything posted on the Pentas.

[NormanGalway]

one other thing, John:
I have also found a fairly wide and persistent disparity between Tribes and Omnipop. I have found this disparity with every member of my family that I have tested.
so I'm not sure which is more reliable...
but neither one seems to be more accurate than the other given my known genealogy.
According to Tribes, I am "more" Finno ugrian than your average Finn. According to Omnipop, I am either a Serb or Albanian. (?)
Obviously, none of these is even remotely right.
In fact, they are mutually contradictory if you look at Tribes's survey of Global Affinities.

[Johnserrat]

John,

This list means you match no one.
I had the same problem when I ran "penta,"
because apparently the data for those markers is largely
missing from many of the population studies.
if you take out penta, you will get some results...

you need to get a positive exponent for a "match."

When I take out the penta, my top matches are:

Dhangar (India) 4.64E+16
General Asian 7.64E+16

Using only the green markers:

Desasth brahmin 2.92E+12
Trinidad African American 2.96E+12
CFS East Indian 3.37E+12
Northern and Central Moroccan Berber 3.43E+12
Karan (India) 3.63E+12

Based on Omnipop I am east asian (assuming that the trinidadian result really reflects east indian rather than african american ancestry). This result is rather silly given my documented genealogy. I have birth records for my all of my ancestors going back to 1811 (thanks to Napoleon!) and for many more I have birth records going back to the 16th century. I have reviewed our family photographs which go back to the 19th century as well and have found no indication of any ancestry outside of The Netherlands/Germany with one exception who came from England in about 1500 CE. The one exception is apparently of Norman descent but 500 years is too long to have an impact anyways.

The vast majority of my ancestors were farmers and guildsmen who lived in the same area for at least 500 years on both my maternal and paternal sides. My maternal and paternal ancestors lived on different islands in different regions of The Netherlands for as long as I can trace them. While it would be nice to insert some excitement in my boring family tree like brahmin descent, it seems wholly unlikely that this is justifiable.

Do you think all of the Indian food I have enjoyed over the years......

John

[Maria_W]

Thats why.

Now I know why I was getting nothing but 0's on Omnipop 200. I put in the Penta d and e. Thank you very much! I guess it really doesn't make any difference to rerun them. I haven't gotten any new markers in other then the D and E.
Maria

[tomcat]

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Based on Omnipop I am east asian (assuming that the trinidadian result really reflects east indian rather than african american ancestry). This result is rather silly given my documented genealogy. I have birth records for my all of my ancestors going back to 1811 (thanks to Napoleon!) and for many more I have birth records going back to the 16th century. I have reviewed our family photographs which go back to the 19th century as well and have found no indication of any ancestry outside of The Netherlands/Germany with one exception who came from England in about 1500 CE. The one exception is apparently of Norman descent but 500 years is too long to have an impact anyways....
John

Seems to me you would be better served by ENFSI. You can get D2 and D19 from FTDNA. There is not much British Isles data in Omnipop.

[Jodee]

Confused over results

Hi there,

i'm confused too -

i got my Panel 1 results the other day (yipee!) and i ran my profile in OmniPop. Now i'm working on running through the single alleles and making comparisons with CSFS, ENFSI, etc, but all the while i'm really baffled by the what i find. This prompted me to send to DNATribes for an analysis. i got my results back already (boy that was quick) but i'm still really perplexed.

i find very little Northwest European results, even though that's where my family tree "paper trail" seems to be. i was just wondering if this is a usual occurance and just a lack of data?

My mom was Danish with a Swedish grandfather. My father's dad from the UK. And his mom Scotch Irish and "PA German" here in the US for 7+ generations. The family always said her grandfather was part Native American - perhaps this is why my scores seem so surprising to me?

Here are some of my results - is this really me?

Thanks for any suggestions ~
Jodee

mtDNA: H2a
HVR1 16354T, HVR2 152C, 263G, 309.1C, 315.1C


Autosomal Markers Panel 1
CSF1PO 11, 12
D13S317 9, 11
D16S539 13, 13
D18S51 13, 16
D21S11 29, 32.2
D3S1358 15, 17
D5S818 11, 12
D7S820 10, 10
D8S1179 11, 15
FGA 18, 26
PentaD 10, 13
PentaE 11, 17
TH01 7, 9
TPOX 8, 10
vWA 16, 16


DNATribes High Resolution World Region Match:

North African 4.24
Mestizo 3.88
Arabian 2.48
Asia Minor 1.72
Mediterranean 1.60
India 1.02
Northwest European 0.73
South East Asian 0.64
Eastern European 0.62
Chinese 0.27
Central / Amerindian 0.25
Japanese 0.23
Finno-Ugrian 0.22
India Tribal 0.15
Malay Archipelago 0.15
Tibetan 0.12
Mongolian 0.09
North Indian 0.08
Austrailian 0.04
Athabaskan 0.03


DNATribes High Res Global:

Caracas, Venezuela 7.5
Maracaibo, Venezuela 6.3
Toscana, Italy 6.2
Moroccan (Belgium) 5.8
Maghrebi 5.5
Bocaya, Columbia 5.3
Costa Rica 5.0
Hispanic 4.7
Hispanic (MN, USA) 4.6
Andalusia, Spain 4.4
Buenos Aires, Argentina 4.4
Hispanic (CA, USA) 4.2
Chilhuahua, Mexico 4.1
Brazil 3.9
Costa Rica, 3.9
Hispanic 3.9
Hispanic (FL, USA) 3.9
Santa Fe, Argentina 3.8
Oman 3.6

[tomcat]

Jodee,

You certainly got a confirmation of family lore regarding Native American ancestry! Any family lore about a Sephardic forebear? If your genealogy is European you would be better served by ENFSI - www.str-base.org

[Black Dutch]

Based on Omnipop I am east asian (assuming that the trinidadian result really reflects east indian rather than african american ancestry). This result is rather silly given my documented genealogy. I have birth records for my all of my ancestors going back to 1811 (thanks to Napoleon!) and for many more I have birth records going back to the 16th century. I have reviewed our family photographs which go back to the 19th century as well and have found no indication of any ancestry outside of The Netherlands/Germany with one exception who came from England in about 1500 CE. The one exception is apparently of Norman descent but 500 years is too long to have an impact anyways.

John

My Uncle H. Fielder has the same situation. On Omnipop and DNATribes his primary matches are East India and Japan. My genealogy goes back to the early 1700's and our Fielder family, including the families they married into are almost 100% Caucasian with a small degree of Native American. I still have not received a satisfactory answer from anyone. Recent update still shows the same thing.
I guess I could do what that girl in Michigan did. Using her DNA results that showed 2% East Asian she applied for a college grant and got it by stating that she was of Asian ancestry.

[Paulie]

The vast majority of my ancestors were farmers and guildsmen who lived in the same area for at least 500 years on both my maternal and paternal sides. My maternal and paternal ancestors lived on different islands in different regions of The Netherlands for as long as I can trace them. While it would be nice to insert some excitement in my boring family tree like brahmin descent, it seems wholly unlikely that this is justifiable.

John, any of those relatives part of the Dutch East India Company?

The markers may be from your relations TO those other populations, telling you more about the ancestry of those populations than yourself.

My best match in Omnipop is Guinean-Bissau (West Africa, Portuguese is official language), followed by Maine-Caucasian. The CIA Factbook has this for the population details for Guinea-Bissau:

African 99% (includes Balanta 30%, Fula 20%, Manjaca 14%, Mandinga 13%, Papel 7%), European and mulatto less than 1%.

[Jodee]

Confused over results

Thank you tomcat -

No, no Sephardic forebear that i know of - but who knows. Silly question perhaps, but how far back would it need to be? Meaning that up to now everything, seemed pretty straight forward, except the Native American story which now seems valid

Maybe the new x results will help with some of this.

i'll keep adventuring in ENFSI.

Thanks again!
Jodee

[tomcat]

...
No, no Sephardic forebear that i know of - but who knows. Silly question perhaps, but how far back would it need to be? ...

Your North African scores made me think Sephardic (a category of my thoughts), could be something else. In order for it to show in a CODIS profile, to be identity by descent, no further back than a GP. Otherwise it is a chance allelic combination, identity by state.

[Johnserrat]

John, any of those relatives part of the Dutch East India Company?

The markers may be from your relations TO those other populations, telling you more about the ancestry of those populations than yourself.

My best match in Omnipop is Guinean-Bissau (West Africa, Portuguese is official language), followed by Maine-Caucasian. The CIA Factbook has this for the population details for Guinea-Bissau:

African 99% (includes Balanta 30%, Fula 20%, Manjaca 14%, Mandinga 13%, Papel 7%), European and mulatto less than 1%.

The Netherlands has a really great website that lists the people that served for the Dutch East India Company. None of my relatives are listed. I checked last year before I got these results. Omnipop and ProfilerPlus insist that I am brahmin. I wonder how many blond blue-eyed brahmin are out there? I can tell you that none of my grand or great-grandparents were anything other than blond and blue-eyed as well. Same goes for my children, although my daughter does have green eyes which is a bit of a novelty in my family.

There must be something strange with these CODIS markers. I am I1a for Y-DNA and T5 for mtDNA, all quite European. Further ENFSI shows my closest match as being France(Lille). From all appearances there is nothing but germanic ancestry on either side of my family.

I will try to use the Omnipop results to convince my wife to take a trip to India to find all of my long-lost relatives there!

Did Omnipop make sense for you Paulie?

John

[Paulie]

Did Omnipop make sense for you Paulie?

Sure, as long as I interpreted it as showing European admixture in others. A lot of my other matches were Caucasian (whatever that is) and a few native Americans and African Americans.

I have a close y-dna match to a couple of African Americans; they have a R1b1c y-line. They are in the databases, and I match to them, does that now mean I have African ancestry in say the last couple hundred years? Maybe, maybe not; the data really only shows the probably of matching populations, and today quite a few of us are admixed with no paper trail, and its the same with others. Who knows?

I had a DNA Tribes done earlier in the week (I'm a test junkie), I show Iceland in the 350 range, Norway the next 3 in the 100-150 range, then equal Scots and Northern Polish in the 50's, then Egypt in the 10's (all I can remember off hand). My mother side was german/polish, my fathers side is unknown, but I have a y-line close match to someone with a paper trail to the early 1800's in central England.

So between Tribes (Iceland) and OmniPop (West African), should I split the difference and say I'm Iberian, since in Guinea-Bissau they speak Portuguese and a Basque or Portuguese cod fisherman relative from way back settled in Iceland?!?!?!?!

[Nagelfar]

I have a question, maybe there is a math wiz out there.

Is there anyway to turn those scores into likelihood of percentages?

Like if the top marches were

1.5269E-15 of 'A'
7.7474E-16 of 'B'
7.6428E-16 of 'C'
6.8652E-16 of 'D'
6.5274E-16 of 'E'

That the value for 'A' could be translated into X percent ancestry, 'B' would be another X percent, etc. with diminishing percentages down the line?