Tribes scores

[NormanGalway]

It is a great mystery to me why Tribes has not done an English population set, when clearly a lot -- and maybe most -- of their customers here in the US have at least some English ancestry, since they are based in the US. They told me they expect it to be a mix (as one would expect) between the celtic Britons they already have and maybe some German and Scandinavian thrown in as well.

So my profile does not match that very well as I am missing the celtic component.

I do think it's cool that they've focused on a lot of "native" populations... but they've left out the saami so far, which is a real shame.

A lot of the "native" populations are in danger of disappearing through the forces of globalization and urbanization, as Spencer Wells makes clear in his book. Time is of the essence! which is why I'm glad to see them keep adding populations.

It is pretty fascinating. I am going to get my parents to take the test to try to figure out where the finno-ugric is coming from... maybe both!

[tomcat]

It is a great mystery to me why Tribes has not done an English population set, when clearly a lot -- and maybe most -- of their customers here in the US have at least some English ancestry, since they are based in the US. They told me they expect it to be a mix (as one would expect) between the celtic Britons they already have and maybe some German and Scandinavian thrown in as well...

Tribes doesn't do field collection. They repurpose existing population studies assembled for forensics. (It is a cool, cagey and key part of their business plan). But the UK has one of the most extensive forensics db's of any country. Don't know if the UK db is built to CODIS or ENFSI standards, doubt it, also doubt the UK db is open to the public.

[NormanGalway]

That may explain why it is missing, and may stay that way...
They have a sizable database - in fact their PM has said that every person in the country should be in it - but because of privacy laws, that is unlikely to be released in any form.

which brings up an interesting point. if these are all populations for forensics, does that mean when we get in a match in a country, that we fit the average civilian there, or the average criminal?

[tomcat]

...which brings up an interesting point. if these are all populations for forensics, does that mean when we get in a match in a country, that we fit the average civilian there, or the average criminal?

The pop. studies are assembled for other purposes as well - pop. genetics, anthropology, etc. But your match to MN NA is based on stats collected from those MN NA in trouble with MN state law enforcement. :0

[tomcat]

That may explain why it is missing, and may stay that way...
They have a sizable database - in fact their PM has said that every person in the country should be in it - but because of privacy laws, that is unlikely to be released in any form...

After one strips-out all personally-identifying information such a db would be just a bunch of numbers and ought to be accessible for genealogists and other porpoises.

[Kathleen Carrow]

The pop. studies are assembled for other purposes as well - pop. genetics, anthropology, etc. But your match to MN NA is based on stats collected from those MN NA in trouble with MN state law enforcement. :0

Of course I match to such a group but then I was a Prison Social Worker so that doesn't intimidate me

[haplogroupc]

The pop. studies are assembled for other purposes as well - pop. genetics, anthropology, etc. But your match to MN NA is based on stats collected from those MN NA in trouble with MN state law enforcement. :0

That's not why there are over 800 Polish samples in the database, is it? What sort of ancestry has my mom gotten herself into?

[Kathleen Carrow]

Dawes Commision..Help!!

I hope I did not post this already..thought I did..

I have just found numerous Seybolds in this Index which I found at Ancestry.com
Don't know how to read it really and need some help..
where do I find areas these folks came from?
For example.."Idema Seybold -Cherokee - Case # 3169"

[tomcat]

I hope I did not post this already..thought I did..

I have just found numerous Seybolds in this Index which I found at Ancestry.com
Don't know how to read it really and need some help..
where do I find areas these folks came from?
For example.."Idema Seybold -Cherokee - Case # 3169"

They likely lived in Indian Territory (Oklahoma). There is an Indian Territory census.

[tomcat]

I'm not a Finn, but I get high finno-ugric scores.

my highest matches are poland, finland, sweden, denmark and germany, all nearly equal. somehow I am not part of the norwegian gang here.

according to ENSFI, my hightest match is denmark. Poland is lowest!

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On ENFSI, is your 'lowest' Polish score at the bottom of the list of ALL populations or just the lowest of the top five or something?

[NormanGalway]

It's number 24 out of 25. Croatia is dead last. Both Poland and Croatia -- uniquely for me -- need one higher exponent than all other countries to find a match. Oddly enough, I also get a (low) match to Croatia on Tribes.

The tale of 2 matches - Tribes and ENSFI - could not be more different for me.

Actually, I get multiple matches in Tribes to Poland, and also to Finland. Tribes and ENSFI both give me Denmark as a top match, so there are some things they "agree" on.

[tomcat]

So Polish on ENFSI is E16 and all else is E15, for example?

That is truly ODD.

Do you get anything Polish on Omnipop?

[NormanGalway]

yes, that is exactly right. (though it's E14 vs. E15 instead)

Polish is also my top match on Omnipop after "caucasian." Moreover, it is Podlasie, which is in North Eastern Poland, where many of my Tribes scores appear.

Tribes and ENSFi agree on Finland and Denmark.
Maybe Tribes and Omnipop are using the same population sample in Podlasie? But that doesn't explain why ENSFI is so different on that.

ENSFI was dead right about one thing: it absolutely "spotted" my Swiss heritage.

[tomcat]

Don't know what Polish sample ENFSI refers-to, but it is likely not Podlasie but rather one widely drawn from all of Poland. And, on the other side of that, there would be little interest in collecting so many Polish geographic samples unless the Polish population yielded interesting differentiation when the area of investigation was geographically focused.

[NormanGalway]

hmm... so you think Tribes may have the edge on this one?