Tribes scores

[Clochaire]

There are over two years' worth of postings by people confused by their DNA Tribes results at http://www.kerchner.com/cgi-kerchner/dnatribes.cgi

My own highest match is to Australian Aborigines. Ludicrous. So don't take this stuff too seriously.

Jim

Jim,

Interesting. And of one piece w/ commentary I've seen elsewhere.

Any thoughts as to whether these odd results are due primarily to poor conduct of the tests by the companies, lack of sufficient data pool, bias in self-reporting of ethnicity or a deeper problem inherent to the technology itself?

I suppose it may also be worth considering that Y and X tests, while providing a more genealogically relevant data set, cover only a narrow band of the total genetic profile.

Jack

[Jim Honeychuck]

Hi Jim,

So, I'm not the only one with lower Irish scores? Now I have to explain to my mother the results of her Tribes report. She will surely be confused when I show her the top Norway & Iceland matches...when her brother just received the R1b1b2e M222 Northern Ireland haplogroup for their Dad. Hahaha. Wish me luck!


Regina

There are over two years' worth of postings by people confused by their DNA Tribes results at http://www.kerchner.com/cgi-kerchner/dnatribes.cgi

My own highest match is to Australian Aborigines. Ludicrous. So don't take this stuff too seriously.

Jim

[RegRiv]

Hi Jim,

So, I'm not the only one with lower Irish scores? Now I have to explain to my mother the results of her Tribes report. She will surely be confused when I show her the top Norway & Iceland matches...when her brother just received the R1b1b2e M222 Northern Ireland haplogroup for their Dad. Hahaha. Wish me luck!


Regina

[Jim Honeychuck]

My mother just had her DNA Tribes 21-marker test done. We also received Y-DNA results on her brother (my Uncle). His FTDNA YDNA-67 results were R1b1b2e M-222, Northwest Ireland/Niall Modal. So, I am wondering why Scotland or Ireland would not be higher on my Mom's DNA populations? My results, too, were topped by heavy Norse results, with Ireland not even appearing until #33 on my report. And I had thought that our parents and grandparents 'rose to the top' of our results?

As far as we know, my Mom was Scots-Irish & German via her father. Mom's mother was adopted. Until one of us do a M-tDNA test, we assume she was the Brazilian surprise in our results. (She was raised by Germans.) I'd appreciate any opinions on this. Where should parents/grandparents rank? Shouldn't Ireland/Scotland be higher since that's from her Dad? Or could the Norse be more historic echoes? I'm obviously a bit confused. Thanks for your opinions and expertise.
Regina


Native Population:

Norway .70/744.56
Norway.65/631.36
Netherlands .65/608.72
Iceland .68/507.49
Germany .60/471.44
Csango (Romania) .53/469.11
Belgium .57/452.33
London, England .61/445.21
NE Spain .57/428.23
Dundee, Scotland .47/393.73
Norway .60/390.96
Flemish 58/390.63
UK .60/360.60
Wales, UK .55/359.28
Lille, France .49/327.29
Belgium .60/321.65
Dundee, Scotland .48/282.55
Flemish .58/281.14
Flemish (Belgium) .57/267.93
Northern Ireland .42/266.34

Global Matches:
Brazil .77//837.19
Norway .70/744.56
Norway .65/631.36
Netherlands .65/608.72
Iceland .68/507.49
Mato Grosso do Sul, Brazil .65/495.81
Germany .60/471.44
Csango (Romania) .53/469.11
Belgium .57/452.33
London, England .61/445.21
NE Spain .57/428.23
Caucasian (Maine U.S.) 405.68
Brazil .65/394.69
Dundee, Scotland .47/393.73
Norway .60/390.96
Flemish .58/390.63
Caucasian (FL, U.S.) .61/471.59
UK .60/360.5
Wales, UK .55/359.28
Caucasian .54/346.06

With regard to Ireland, my own ancestry is half Irish, yet my DNA Tribes Ireland score is down among a collection of various European groups. So it is possible the DNA Tribes sample population from Ireland is not typical of the whole population, or something.

I would like to see the actual frequency distribution for an Irish autosomal DNA study, but I have looked everywhere and apparently none has ever been published.

Regards,
Jim

[RegRiv]

Mom's Tribes Report Analysis

My mother just had her DNA Tribes 21-marker test done. We also received Y-DNA results on her brother (my Uncle). His FTDNA YDNA-67 results were R1b1b2e M-222, Northwest Ireland/Niall Modal. So, I am wondering why Scotland or Ireland would not be higher on my Mom's DNA populations? My results, too, were topped by heavy Norse results, with Ireland not even appearing until #33 on my report. And I had thought that our parents and grandparents 'rose to the top' of our results?

As far as we know, my Mom was Scots-Irish & German via her father. Mom's mother was adopted. Until one of us do a M-tDNA test, we assume she was the Brazilian surprise in our results. (She was raised by Germans.) I'd appreciate any opinions on this. Where should parents/grandparents rank? Shouldn't Ireland/Scotland be higher since that's from her Dad? Or could the Norse be more historic echoes? I'm obviously a bit confused. Thanks for your opinions and expertise.
Regina


Native Population:

Norway .70/744.56
Norway.65/631.36
Netherlands .65/608.72
Iceland .68/507.49
Germany .60/471.44
Csango (Romania) .53/469.11
Belgium .57/452.33
London, England .61/445.21
NE Spain .57/428.23
Dundee, Scotland .47/393.73
Norway .60/390.96
Flemish 58/390.63
UK .60/360.60
Wales, UK .55/359.28
Lille, France .49/327.29
Belgium .60/321.65
Dundee, Scotland .48/282.55
Flemish .58/281.14
Flemish (Belgium) .57/267.93
Northern Ireland .42/266.34

Global Matches:
Brazil .77//837.19
Norway .70/744.56
Norway .65/631.36
Netherlands .65/608.72
Iceland .68/507.49
Mato Grosso do Sul, Brazil .65/495.81
Germany .60/471.44
Csango (Romania) .53/469.11
Belgium .57/452.33
London, England .61/445.21
NE Spain .57/428.23
Caucasian (Maine U.S.) 405.68
Brazil .65/394.69
Dundee, Scotland .47/393.73
Norway .60/390.96
Flemish .58/390.63
Caucasian (FL, U.S.) .61/471.59
UK .60/360.5
Wales, UK .55/359.28
Caucasian .54/346.06

[burto]

Hi again Burto,

I see your top TribeScore is Uzbek. I googled images of Uzbek people. I used the words 'uzbek' and 'face' together and clicked and got this page :

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=uzbek+face&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2

But if I were you, I'd still ask DNA Tribes.

Elizabeth

Thank you Rainbow, I've just done that! The images are interesting, they have similar features to Mum, so who knows?!

[burto]

I have a question, repeatedly, every test that I have taken on DNATribes on a continous basis (and I have upgraded 5 times) shows high South Asian scores for either Pakistan or Afghanistan. Do you think the high score for India-Pakistan has meaning here? I also had 20% South Asian on ABDNA and on Omni-Pop


I believe this India-Pakistan ancestry due to some probable Nansemond Native American ancestry through a Archer family. The Nansemond were not just Native American but of various admixture including the Weaver family who were South Asians from Pakistan and intermarried with Archer, Manly, Bass families.


Could these India scores be a reflection in my results in conjunction with my high Mestizo score of 17.24?

Hi Blackwolf,
It sounds like you are similar to my Mum-she got 22% South Asian with DNAP and on Tribes over 4 tests she has got matches to Malaysia, Buenos Aires and Sao Paulo. She also gets high South Asian on Omnipop but I don't know what to make of that. Her latest Mestizo score is 72.94.

Have you done the AbDNA 2.5? If so what did you get? I realy don't know what to make of the scores and it's made worse by not knowing half of her ancestry!

[rainbow]

Hi again Burto,

I see your top TribeScore is Uzbek. I googled images of Uzbek people. I used the words 'uzbek' and 'face' together and clicked and got this page :

http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=uzbek+face&btnG=Search+Images&gbv=2

But if I were you, I'd still ask DNA Tribes.

Elizabeth

[rainbow]

Hi,
Well got latest 21 marker reports back and at last there's some UK Ireland and Scotland matches!!!
Also NW European comes out top for world match, which when you read their definition, would be correct in Mum's case-she is at least 50% NW European so therefore that would be her primary affiliation.
Her global matches are as follows (all in their thousands)
Slovenia, Lille, Bosnia, Scotland, Buenos Aires (STILL!), as well as R.o. Macedonia, some US Caucasian scores, Sao Paulo, Indian Malaysia (STILL!) and UK.
She had her central asian panel done and I need people's opinions about it, baring in mind she got 11% East Asian and 22% South Asian with AbDNA:
Roma (RoMacedonia) (0.58) 180.50
Uzbek (Xingjang) Chinese Turkestan (0.76) 146.52
Kirgiz " " " " (0.71) 146.72
E. Anatolia, Turkey (0.36) 28.26
Roma Greece (0.43) 17.74
Kazhak (NW Xingjang Chinese Turkestan) (0.45) 5.76
Roma E. Hungary (0.16) 3.74
Uyghur Chinese Turkestan (0.33) 1.85

Not sure what these suggest now? Are these scores suggesting something, are they significant or do they just mean European?!

Hi Burto,

You can do what I did and ask the expert Lucas at DNA Tribes. I'm sure he can explain the Roma and Kirgiz and Uzbek, etc.

Lucas explained my results to me after I emailed (a few times) recently.
Turns out my Near Eastern matches are from caucasian and not from Central Asian markers, and my Native American is Native American, approximately 1/8 to 1/4, and that fits perfectly with my AncestryByDna results.

[rainbow]

Thank you

[admin]

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Part C : Global
Puerto Rican (Springfield, Massachusetts, U.S.A.) (0.52) 207.82
Sergipe, Brazil (0.44) 198.84
Syria (0.58) 191.27
Morocco (0.41) 155.88
Brazil (0.5) 130.82
Sao Paulo, Brazil (0.42) 122.05
Brazilian (Southeastern, Southern and Central Brazil) (0.47) 112.48
Portugal (0.35) 101.45
Santa Catarina, Brazil (0.48) 100.92
Azores Archipelago (0.49) 98.07
Paraiba, Brazil (0.32) 96.49
Rio de Janeiro, Brazil (0.4) 94.93
Caucasian (0.35) 88.05
Northeast Spain (0.35) 84.27
Belem, Brazil (0.4) 81.33
Caucasian (0.49) 78.12
Flemish (0.4) 75.38
Central Portugal (0.41) 71.57
Switzerland (0.31) 70.64
Portugal (0.33) 68.67

[rainbow]

Hello Kat,
Yes, it was a 21. Here are the complete Tribes Score Sheet

Global Populations
Szekler (Romania) 0.96 16,528
Veneto, Italy 0.91 15,707

World Populations
Northwest European 0.83 8,181

Cheers, Desert Dog

Thanks for sharing your scores. What doesn't seem right to me is that DNATribes gave you 'Northwestern European' as your top world region when your first and second matches are in Southeastern Europe (Romania & Italy).

Their world region is supposed to be the most 'robust' but it doesn't make sense to me. In my last 15 marker report I was given 'Finno-Ugrian' as my top world region when I had no matches from there in my top 20. In my current 21 marker report I have 'North African' as my top world region but I have only one match (Morocco, in second place) in my top 20 to that region.

[rainbow]

I believe this India-Pakistan ancestry due to some probable Nansemond Native American ancestry through a Archer family. The Nansemond were not just Native American but of various admixture including the Weaver family who were South Asians from Pakistan and intermarried with Archer, Manly, Bass families.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nansemond

Could these India scores be a reflection in my results in conjunction with my high Mestizo score of 17.24?

thanks,
BW

Hi,

I didn't know that about the Weavers. The only Weaver I know of is the actress Sigourney Weaver. Now I'm wondering if she is part Pakistani.

I have a Mestizo match score in my 21 marker update, but I also have North India, Mesopotamia, etc. Native American markers coincide with Central Asian markers. There is some Central Asian ancestry in North India, etc.
You could be, and I could be, matching North India and Mestizo because of those markers.

I interpreted it as having some from both. But I wonder if scoring a match for one is because of markers from the other, such as, do I really have ancestry from Turkey, or am I only matching Turkey because they have Central Asian/Native American markers that I actually have from Amerindians? Can be asked the other way, am I matching Mestizo because of Turkish ancestry?

Which is it? It's like flipping a coin, but it's a double-headed coin.

Elizabeth

edit: My current top match is Syria. Syrians probably have some Central Asian markers too (right next to Turkey). Maybe I'm matching Syrian because of Amerindian markers? On the other hand, Syrian ydna is found in the British Isles (Thomas Jefferson had Syrian ydna), so why wouldn't there be Syrian autosomal dna in people of British descent.

Tribes Score

Hello ; Were your results using 21 markers ? My numbers were very high --please see thread "21 markers DNA TRIBES " , I m at the beginning --listing my results--KAT.

Hello Kat,
Yes, it was a 21. Here are the complete Tribes Score Sheet

Global Populations
Szekler (Romania) 0.96 16,528
Veneto, Italy 0.91 15,707
Tunisia 0.93 14,719
Northeast Spain 0.90 14,455
Emilia-Romagna, Italy 0.92 13,875
Caucasian 0.94 13,834
Caucasian 0.91 13,171
Slovenia 0.89 13,153
Flemish 0.92 13,016
Calabria, Italy 0.94 12,938
Caucasian (Queensland, Australia) 0.93 12,196
Banat and Transylvania, Western Romania 0.93 10,649
Germany 0.88 9,913
Germany 0.88 9,913
Southwest Germany 0.93 9,860
Bavaria, Germany 0.88 9,783
Caucasian (Tasmania, Australia) 0.91 9,714
Czech Republic 0.88 9,622
Switzerland 0.88 9,608
Toscana, Italy 0.90 9,549


World Populations
Northwest European 0.83 8,181
Mediterranean 0.85 8,106
Finno-Ugrian 0.84 4,922
Levantine 0.85 4,710
Eastern European 0.81 4,632
Aegean 0.83 2,509
North African 0.57 1,187
Mesopotamian 0.64 490
Arabian 0.35 161
Mestizo 0.57 144
North India 0.66 132
Eastern India 0.16 3
South India 0.05 2
East African 0 0
Altaian 0 0
Malay Archipelago 0 0
Amazonian 0 0
Polynesian 0 0
Ojibwa 0 0
Central American 0 0
Athabaskan 0 0
Japanese 0 0
North Chinese 0 0
Patagonian 0 0
South Chinese 0 0
Salishan 0 0
Andean 0 0
Southeast Asian 0 0
Mexican 0 0
Mayan 0 0
Southern African 0 0
Arctic 0 0
North Amerindian 0 0
Australian 0 0
West African 0 0
Tibetan 0 0

Native Populations
Szekler (Romania) 0.96 16,528
Veneto, Italy 0.91 15,707
Tunisia 0.93 14,719
Northeast Spain 0.90 14,455
Emilia-Romagna, Italy 0.92 13,875
Slovenia 0.89 13,153
Flemish 0.92 13,016
Calabria, Italy 0.94 12,938
Banat and Transylvania, Western Romania 0.93 10,649
Germany 0.88 9,913
Germany 0.88 9,913
Southwest Germany 0.93 9,860
Bavaria, Germany 0.88 9,783
Czech Republic 0.88 9,622
Switzerland 0.88 9,608
Toscana, Italy 0.90 9,549
Germany 0.88 8,746
Lombardia, Italy 0.90 8,600
Lille, France 0.85 8,349
Arab (Israel) 0.92 8,341

Cheers, Desert Dog

[BlackWolf]

DNATribes Pakistan

I have a question, repeatedly, every test that I have taken on DNATribes on a continous basis (and I have upgraded 5 times) shows high South Asian scores for either Pakistan or Afghanistan. 4 or 5 times more now since in the beginning when one match in Spain was ahead of Pakistan by a couple of points but has since dropped off. My global matches are...

Pakistan 218.24
Afghanistan 104.45
Caucasian Florida 74.06
Risaralda, Colombia 70.06
Central Andean, Colombia 68.60
Caldas, Colombia 6004
Caucasian Virgina 57.02
Colombia 56.94
Caucasian 55.42
Caucasian Australia 50.17
Hispanic California 43.64
North Irelan 41.80
Toulouse, France 40.43
Rio de Janeiro, Brazil 38.58
Buenos Aires, Argentina 35.77
Ireland 34.22
Flemish 32.91
Pakistani (UAE) 30.28
Ireland 29.33
Mendoza, Argentina 28.80

Do you think the high score for India-Pakistan has meaning here? I also had 20% South Asian on ABDNA and on Omni-Pop

Ecuadorian (93) 7.56E+19
PC/BT Caucasian (4) 9.31E+19
Madeira Archipelago (53) 9.37E+19
Norwegian (224) 1.25E+20
Karan (India) (61) 1.48E+20
Argentinian (47) 1.54E+20
NCSBI Caucasian (4) 1.78E+20
Desasth brahmin (India) (58) 2.00E+20


I believe this India-Pakistan ancestry due to some probable Nansemond Native American ancestry through a Archer family. The Nansemond were not just Native American but of various admixture including the Weaver family who were South Asians from Pakistan and intermarried with Archer, Manly, Bass families.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nansemond

Could these India scores be a reflection in my results in conjunction with my high Mestizo score of 17.24?

thanks,
BW