Tribes scores

[rainbow]

Wikipedia----> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extremadura


Extremadura was the source of many of the most famous Spanish conquerors ("conquistadores") and settlers in America.

[BlackWolf]

Spanish is my top match. Extremadura, Spain at 205,025.65. It is more than 5 times higher than any other European ancestry.

Anyone happen to know what the Extremaduran people ancestries consist of today?

[rainbow]

Flemish is my top match now, which is way more reasonable than my previous top match of Syria. At least my top match correlates to my complexion and coloring. But the only Flemish ancestry I have is from my paternal grandmother - if she wasn't adopted. Her genealogical paper-trail is English and Dutch (and French and German). I initially took the DNA Tribes test way back in 2006 because I thought she had hidden Native American ancestry (maybe adopted) because I had 17% Native American from AncestryByDNA. And I took the AncestryByDNA test because my mom was adamant that I must be part Mongolian from my father's Slavic father. She thinks the 17% makes sense.

[rainbow]

And it was wonderful that the update pdfs were sent so quickly. I ordered the update online on a regular computer at about 4:30pm on Friday. I checked my email on my phone around 9:30pm and saw they sent it about an hour earlier, at 8:30pm. That was just 4 hours!
On Saturday I got to use a regular computer and downloaded all 4 of my new updated pdfs: Europa, the Native American panel, the extended, and the regular main report.

What doesn't make sense is the Horn of Africa thing. That has to be some sort of an algorithim error. I looked at my extended report and I'm matching all the Oman categories in the average range. And I really don't think I should be matching non-Europe European categories of Sahelian (that includes Mali) and Mesopotamia, etc.
But they say it is deep ancestry. I match Katmandu, Nepal again in my extended. And Uyghur. I have about 514 (?) matches above 1.00 out of about 1044 categories.
A lot of bizarre matches. I grew up 3/4 British Isles & 1/4 Czech.

[jah]

I did the update yesterday.




Overall the scores are much higher. Flemish is now my top match.

I too have recently "done" it--I know, I know, I keep talking up waiting
until complete genome seq'ing is available--and found much higher scores.

Some random thoughts...
1) How might the socioeconomic backgrounds of all of us DNAT testers
bias the results we're getting? (Think about how many people don't test
because of financial concerns. Or because they feel they "know" their
ancestry--recent & deep.)
2) Does anyone know if DNAT uses Monte Carlo simulations?
3) I was surprised to find my Mestizo result soundly displaced by the new
"Aegean" category. Given my known Spanish, French and German descent,
and also my mtDNA H5a, I suppose this is plausible. But I **know** I have
maternal mestizo ancestry, so it's an interesting exercise to consider the
new DNAT calculus.

[rainbow]

There is another category/line that I meant to post. Part D world regions, between Finnic (0.12) 20.90 and Arabian (0.14) 15.37, is Horn of Africa (0.33) 20.44.

[derinos]

Maith an fear thu! (Good man in Gaelic)

That's persistence for you -- if results don't appear to make sense, they probably don't. I will take it as a moral to be more persistent.

But with most West European populations, I wonder if you can draw many bright lines. Yes, it is striking that Ireland is 90+% R1b1b2* for YSTR, but that's just a narrow piece of the puzzle. In Ireland, alone, I think it is generally acknowledged that the following poulation elements are expected to be significant:
1. Pre-Celtic aboriginal people
2. Goedelic Celts
3. Brythonic Celts
4. Cruithne (Pictish Celts)
5. Vikings
6. Normans
7. French
8. Anglo-Saxons
9. Welsh

I'm probably leaving some big ones out.

Jack

Comment: A good list, a help in explaining what is found in an individual. No major omissions, but in timeline sequence you might decide to arrange them differently.

In terms of of Language, Welsh and Brythonic Celts mean about the same.

In order of DNA modal types, there have been oscillations in both directions, for example the trimillenial South Wales-Cork raiding and fishing traffic (perhaps St.Patrick was on that), the Roman-period Leinster-Lleyn (North Wales) moves, and a long Goidelic-Brythonic seesaw between Ulster and Galloway. And the very clear "packing" of Ulster with Protestant Goidelic Scots by Queen Elizabeth as a counter to Spanish aggression via the Catholic south.

"AngloSaxon" would be quite different from "English" in DNA terms; by the time of the Norman-driven English arrival, any Germanic DNA identity had become much more diluted by Celtic and Norse, (as far as differentiable). I cannot find historic reference to "AngloSaxon" migrations as such to the west of the Celtic borders on the main Island.

[rainbow]

I just noticed I missed Norse & Celtic, but it is too late to edit - the 15 minute limit passed already. I am happy Northwest European is my top world region.

[rainbow]

My February 2010 update

I did the update yesterday.

Wherever it said (0.4) I put (0.40). And (0.3)=(0.30), etc.

New results:
part B: native populations:
Flemish (0.48) 466.98
Syria (0.74) 436.81
Central Portugal (0.22) 419.95
Northeast Spain (0.43) 417.75
Portugal (0.37) 386.08
Denmark (0.40) 336.67
Croatia (0.44) 329.23
Morocco (0.48) 327.50
Flemish (Belgium) (0.41) 318.85
Portugal (0.42) 311.14
Central Portugal (0.30) 293.37
Flemish (0.46) 281.94
Switzerland (0.43) 255.78
Northwest Spain (0.41) 250.59
South Portugal (0.18) 240.54
Morocco (Arabic speakers) (0.31) 218.87
France (0.40) 188.22
Maghrebi (0.46) 181.03
Andalusia, Spain (0.34) 176.65
Extremadura, Spain (0.40) 176.08


part C global populations:
Flemish (0.48) 466.98
Syria (0.74) 436.81
Puerto Rican (Springfield, Massachusetts, U.S.A.) (0.64) 430.40
Caucasian (U.S.A.) (0.44) 427.96
Central Portugal (0.22) 419.95
Northeast Spain (0.43) 417.75
Portugal (0.37) 386.08
Sergipe, Brazil (0.34) 376.81
Santa Catarina, Brazil (0.62) 342.09
Denmark (0.40) 336.67
Croatia (0.44) 329.23
Morocco (0.48) 327.50
Flemish (Belgium) (0.41) 318.85
Azores Archipelago (0.60) 312.70
Portugal (0.42) 311.14
Azores Archipelago (0.33) 307.68
Central Portugal (0.30) 293.37
Azores Archipelago (0.57) 283.29
Flemish (0.46) 281.94
Caucasian (U.S.A.) (0.66) 267.07


part D: world regions:
Northwest European (0.30) 168.69
Mediterranean (0.34) 159.31
North African (0.30) 131.64
Mestizo (0.50) 105.54
Aegean (0.38) 80.30
Eastern European (0.22) 63.51
Levantine (0.31) 62.35
Mesopotamian (0.29) 44.24
North India (0.38) 26.21
Finnic (0.12) 20.90
Arabian (0.14) 15.37
South India (0.08) 1.86
Altaian (0.06) 1.72
Sahelian (0.02) 1.66
African Great Lakes (0.01) 1.28


My 2010 Europa update
Portuguese (0.34) 244.19
Belgic (0.34) 206.27
Celtic (0.3) 163.24
Spanish (0.27) 114.44
Germanic (0.26) 95.59
Italian (0.27) 93.19
Balkan (0.25) 85.03
Norse (0.2) 75.73
Basque (0.18) 69.08
Thracian (0.25) 61.34
Greek (0.24) 45.49
Polish (0.16) 38.35
Russian (0.12) 29.62
Scythian (0.14) 29.45
Finnic (0.12) 20.90
Ashkenazic (0.06) 14.55
Urals (0.16) 14.13


And guess what I match again, in my Native American panel:
Athabaskan (Alaska) (0.03) 1.68


Overall the scores are much higher. Flemish is now my top match.

[rainbow]

My last DNA Tribes update was in December. I haven't ordered the newest one. They have added a handful of populations, and have changed/upgraded their algorithim.

[BlackWolf]

DNATribes Update

What is the value of this update that is now on DNATribes? I took the test, only thing I have seen is the numbers got higher although there were some changes in the results.

Mestizo Score still high at 2,596.07 which is still off the charts for a Anglo under the new Global comparison.

[Maria_W]

More Amerindian please!

Hope they get more Amerindian populations from the U.S, Central and South America!

Maria

[juan carlos]

Yes, there will be new populations but they would not tell me how many or where they would be from. Just to expect them to be released around August 4th.

Maria

Thanks, I"ll be watching to see who they are.

[Maria_W]

New populations...

Yes, there will be new populations but they would not tell me how many or where they would be from. Just to expect them to be released around August 4th.

Maria

[juan carlos]

There will be some who will think the 25.00 will be worth it...

Maria

Maria, what does this update consist of? Are there new populations on the list?