Tribes scores

[tomcat]

I asked Tribes:

I wondered if (your partner) lab offers testing for these addition autosomal markers? And, if so, what the cost would be, per marker?

D19S433
D2S1338
F13A01
F13B
FESFPS
LPL
Penta B
Penta C
Penta D
Penta E
SE33

And Tribes answered:

Penta D and E can be provided free of charge without additional testing. GTL does run the following additional STR loci: F13A01, FESFPS, F13B and LPL.

[Eki]

What this should tell you is that the European populations is so closely related to each other that even minor frequency differences will assign you to distant more unrelated populations, it may also have something to do with the resolution of the 13 autosomal markers and its ability to correctly assign you to your population.

Its important to see the difference between autosomal STR and autosomal SNP, it has very good anology in Y-STR and Y-SNP. STR mutate much quicker while SNP change very slowly. This have implication for how far back the STR can see backwards in time.

Imagine how it would be if you had Y-STR without haplogroup prediction or Y-SNP test. You would be able to some extent to identify close lineages with 12 STR markers but not really far back, however with SNP test you can see much further back in time but miss the much more recent picture STR gives you.

Noaide

Yes, and I'm sure it also depends much on from what parts of Finland those populations are. If you look at the Y-hg distribution of the Finland DNA-project:

http://www.fidna.info/map2y.php?title=Y-DNA%20All%20Haplogroups&colors=ycolors.txt

you'll notice that hg I1a is very common in Central Finland but is "surrounded" by hg N.

Also blood type A seems to be more common in Central Finland than in surrounding areas in a similar manner than Portugal has more blood type A than its neigbours:

http://web.archive.org/web/20060221171034/http://anthro.palomar.edu/vary/images/map_of_A_blood_allele.gif

[tomcat]

so Noaide, does this mean you recommend the ABDNA approach?
I've never done the Euro test they offer...

It would be interesting to see a side-by-side comparison of Euro 1.0 and Tribes results.

[Maria_W]

Later this month....

Just got an email from Lucas at DNA Tribes and he said that they will be comming out with new populations later this month. Some he listed: Russian, Belrussian, Roma, Tibetan, Spanish plus other populations. Can't wait to get new update. I am going to try to wait till then. Going to be very hard, I am having withdrawels now. If I wait maybe there will be a bigger change in my score. Just have to keep myself busy! Not sure I can.

Maria

[Black Dutch]

Just got an email from Lucas at DNA Tribes and he said that they will be comming out with new populations later this month. Some he listed: Russian, Belrussian, Roma, Tibetan, Spanish plus other populations. Can't wait to get new update. I am going to try to wait till then. Going to be very hard, I am having withdrawels now. If I wait maybe there will be a bigger change in my score. Just have to keep myself busy! Not sure I can.

Maria

Did they say anything about Cherokee or other SE tribes?

[Maria_W]

DNA Tribes samples...

I went to the DNA Tribes website and compared my marker to the markers on the samples of African American, Hispanic, Native American and Caucasian (ethnic groups)and this is the results:

1. Caucasian 8 markers or 30.76%
2. Hispanic 7 markers or 26.9%
3. African American 5 markers or 19.23%
4. Ojibway 3 markers or 11.53%

Maria

[tomcat]

...

And Tribes answered:

Penta D and E can be provided free of charge without additional testing. ...

Sent for my siblings' and combined results immediately resolved into parental allele pairs. One parent was Penta D 10/11 and the other 9/11. For Penta E one was 10/12 and the other 7/16.

[Maria_W]

Forgot to ask!

Blackdutch.

Didn't mention those populations at all but then again I forgot to ask about them! Might write him a line again and ask. Last time I was told, later this year. What is considered later this year? Won't it be terrible if all this time we waited for the Southeastern population and then we get a really low score!

Maria

[burto]

Hi,
I've just entered some single alleles onto Omnipop and it showed that for some the frequency was very low in Europeans, for example:

Salishan Native Americans (2) 1.35E+01
RCMP Salishan (Coastal BC) (56) 1.44E+01
Brahmin (India) (20) 1.55E+01
Kayastha (India) (20) 1.55E+01
Gope (India) (61) 1.55E+01
Puna (North west Argentina) (55) 1.72E+01
Bhumihar Brahmin (India) (72) 1.77E+01
Dhangar (India) (58) 1.86E+01
Peruvian (118) 1.91E+01
Golla (India) (18) 2.05E+01
Karan (India) (61) 2.05E+01

on one and:
Navajo (2) 1.82E+00
Apache (2) 2.13E+00
RCMP Salishan (Coastal BC) (56) 3.68E+00
Salishan Native Americans (2) 3.80E+00
Puna (North west Argentina) (55) 4.04E+00
Peruvian (118) 4.21E+00
Inupiat (Alaska) (60) 4.79E+00
Ecuadorian (93) 4.95E+00
Bangladesh (15) 5.10E+00
Korean (2) 5.29E+00
1 was on one x, one on the other on the Tribes report. Do they mean anything? I can see where Mum's South Asian matches come from with the top example (but are they infact NA?) and there is about 5 alleles that show Europeans being very low, the highest being NA or Asian so is this reflecting admixture? Is this single allele analysis the right thing to do?

[haplogroupc]

Is this single allele analysis the right thing to do?

What are your scores when you try all the alleles together, in the green boxes only? Are they similar to the DNA Tribes scores?

[tomcat]

Hi,
I've just entered some single alleles onto Omnipop and it showed that for some the frequency was very low in Europeans, for example:

... 1 was on one x, one on the other on the Tribes report. Do they mean anything? I can see where Mum's South Asian matches come from with the top example (but are they infact NA?) and there is about 5 alleles that show Europeans being very low, the highest being NA or Asian so is this reflecting admixture? Is this single allele analysis the right thing to do?

Did you try them on ENFSI to determine if they were of low incidence in Europe?

The second set of matches 'looks' more Native to me. When I did single alleles I 'required' that the top ten matches be NA and/or EA and/or to New World populations with significant NA for the allele to qualify as NA.

[tomcat]

...Is this single allele analysis the right thing to do?

It is one thing one might do, it is neither right or wrong.

[Maria_W]

Central Asian Panel.

Forgot to post this. Here is my last Central Asian Panel:

Above 1:
Tartar (Poland) 3.17
Xibe (Xinjiang, Chinese Turkestan) 1.24

Below 1:
Roma (Eastern Hungary) .99
Hui Chinese Muslim (Ningxia, China) .39
Kirgiz (Xinjiang, Chinese Turkestan) .20
Eastern Anatolia (Turkey) .12
Uyghur ( Xinjiang, Chinese Turkestan) .11
Kazakh (Northwest Xinjiang, Chinese Turkestan) .11
Salar (Qinghai, China) .08
East Mongolian (Inner Mongolia) .08
Mongol (Ximeng, Inner Mongolia) .06
Evenk (Hulunbuir, Inner Mongolia) .04
Mongol (Wumeng, Inner Mongolia) .04
Uzbek (Xingiang, Chinese Turkestan) .04
Egyin Gol (Mongolia) .02
Dongxiang (Qinghai, China) .02
Mongolia (?) .02

So the breakdown is:
Poland 1
Turkestan 5
Hungary 1
China 3
Turkey 1
Mongolia 6

Maria

[Maria_W]

Are these all Native?

Here are the categories from my Extended Match Report.

1. Here is my Native American:

Below 1
1. Coastal Salish (British Columbia, Canada) .03
On world region match I get:
Salish .03

Lucas told me yesterday that the Southeastern Tribes are high up on their list this year, but he wouldn't commit to a date! I am pretty sure thats where all of my heritage comes from and thats why I am not getting any scores !

2. Here is my Mestizo:

Below 1
1. Mestizo (Guatemala) .04
2. Mestizo (Ecuador) .03
On my world region match I get:
Mestizo .56

3. Here is Peurto Rican:

Above 1
1. Peurto Rican (Springfeild, Massachusetts) 6.73

4. Here is my Hispanic:

Above 1
1. Hispanic 1.94
2. Hispanic 1.06

Below 1
3. Hispanic (U.S.A.) .30
4. Hispanic (Michigan, U.S.A.) .10
5. Hispanic (Florida, U.S.A.) .09
6. Hispanic .08
7. Hispanic .03
8. Hispanic(Minnesota, U.S.A.) .03
9. Hispanic (Arizona, U.S.A.) .03
10. Hispanic .02
11. Hispanic (Conneticutt, U.S.A.) .02
12. Hispanic (U.S.A.) .01
13. Hispanic (New York, U.S.A.) .01

5. Central America

Above 1
1. Costa Rica 2.0
2. Costa Rica 1.4

Below 1
3. Central Mexico .98
4. El Salvador .19
5. El Salvador .08
6. Valley Of Mexico .07
7. Chihuahua, Mexico .05
8. Mexico .01
9. San Aljo, El Salvador .01

6. South America

Above 1
1. Caracas, Venezuela 11.03
2. Santa Catarina, Brazil 10.70
3. Brazil 7.6
4. Rio De Janeo, Brazil 6.51
5. Santa Fe, Argentina 6.22
6. Belem, Brazil 5.81
7. Bahai, Brazil 5.78
8. Mendoza, Argentina 5.35
9. Benos Aires, Argentina 4.60
10. Maracaibo, Venezuella 3.74
11. Benos Aires, Argentina 3.33
12. Brazil 3.00
13. Bogata, Columbia 1.26
Below 1
14. Misoines, Argentina .79
15. Chaco, Argentina .44
16. Columbia .41
17. Paraguay .34
18. Chubut, Argentina .24
19. Bocaya, Columbia .17
20. Columbia .11
21. Neuquen, Argentina .06
22. Brazil .03
23. Benes Aires, Argentina .03
24. San Alejo, El Salvador .01

So any comments?

Maria

[Kathleen Carrow]

Tribes

I wrote to Lucas at DNA Tribes and asked for my Penta E & Penta D.
I also asked him about my sisters markers which I did not think looked "Salish".
He said this:
"Like your own, your sister's allelic profile also obtains a substantial Salishan score, which is rare for people of European descent."