Tribes scores

[Kathleen Carrow]

I was responding to your "wire-drawn" comment here..I think it IS a fine line where it begins and ends..and I am NOT a mathemetician at all..there is an algorythm that is used..a formula which probably changes often.
At least it changes whenever new populations are put into it..
Some others here can help you with it..
Tom is good..and Noaide..

[Noaide]

ENFSI told

Scottland/Dundee 7.3429E-12
Finland 6.4558E-12
Slovenia 4.6149E-11
Czech Republic 3.5365E-11
Estonia 3.4368E-11
Italy 3.1804E-11
Germany 2.4398E-11
Sweden 2.2036E-11
France/Toulouse 2.0624E-11
Poland 1.9335E-11

As far as I can see this is your ranking from best to lowest:

Slovenia 4.6149E-11
Czech Republic 3.5365E-11
Estonia 3,4368E-11
Italy 3.1804E-11
Germany 2.4398E-11
Sweden 2.2036E-11
France/Toulouse 2.0624E-11
Poland 1.9335E-11
Scottland/Dundee 7.3429E-12
Finland 6.4558E-12

Noaide

[rsychev]

As far as I can see this is your ranking from best to lowest:

Slovenia 4.6149E-11
Czech Republic 3.5365E-11
Estonia 3,4368E-11
Italy 3.1804E-11
Germany 2.4398E-11
Sweden 2.2036E-11
France/Toulouse 2.0624E-11
Poland 1.9335E-11
Scottland/Dundee 7.3429E-12
Finland 6.4558E-12

Noaide

Why?
I thought "7.3429E-12" as top

[Noaide]

Why?
I thought "7.3429E-12" an top

If its opposite then your a Finn Anyway in Omnipop a small number means better match, cant remember just now how it is with ENSFI.

Noaide

[rsychev]

If its opposite then your a Finn Anyway in Omnipop a small number means better match, cant remember just now how it is with ENSFI.

Noaide

Please help me understand my autosomal results with ENSFI

This html page

Thanks

[Noaide]

Please help me understand my autosomal results with ENSFI

This html page

Thanks

I checked the formulas at ENSFI, smaller number means less probability, higher number means higher probability (P=0.25 is lower probability than P=0.5) for example.

So my first interpretation is the right one. You have highest matches with Czecks, Slovaks and Estonians. If you divide the your top Slovenian match with your lowest Finland match your 7 times more likely a Slovenian than a Finn.

Noaide

[tomcat]

...
Anyway in Omnipop a small number means better match, cant remember just now how it is with ENSFI.
...

On ENFSI rank results by E# - smallest E# is best. Then rank by decimal number - largest number is best.

[tomcat]

...
OmniPop motha****a (excuse me) told me that I am African American and Tunisian...

Answer: copy Omnipop and customize copy by removing all populations you do not wish to be matched-to. Better yet: remove all populations and enter your own allelic profile as representative of population with which you most identify - this will always give desired result.

[tomcat]

Your match-scores to any population do not indicate an 'amount' as the profile-matching statistics of Tribes, ENFSI and Omnipop do not measure admixture. The match-scores simply express a statistical likelihood of one's allelic profile matching the allelic profile of the named population. It is quite possible for one's allelic profile to match populations with which one has no immediate ancestry.

[rsychev]

Your match-scores to any population do not indicate an 'amount' as the profile-matching statistics of Tribes, ENFSI and Omnipop do not measure admixture. The match-scores simply express a statistical likelihood of one's allelic profile matching the allelic profile of the named population. It is quite possible for one's allelic profile to match populations with which one has no immediate ancestry.

Then what can give autosomal test?
How I can interpret my results and why FTDNA fail?

I don't understand

[rsychev]

Answer: copy Omnipop and customize copy by removing all populations you do not wish to be matched-to.

How?

[tomcat]

(1)Then what can give autosomal test?
(2)How I can interpret my results and why FTDNA fail?
...

(1) If you wanted an autosomal admixture text you might have chosen Ancestry by DNA 2.5 from DNAPrint Genomics.
(2) Read this thread from the beginning to see what others have thought or tried. FTDNA gave you exactly what was requested and, I am certain, FTDNA made no endorsements of profile-matching based on the autosomal STR's tested.

[tomcat]

How?

How to customize Omnipop (I have never tried this): Get another copy of Omnipop online or have your computer make copy. Rename copy. Open copy. Go to Data tab. Scroll through data fields and delete all data for populations to which you do not wish to be matched. Close the copy of program that has been edited and when computer asks 'Do you want to save changes?' choose 'Yes'. Then reopen copy of program, check that changes are as you wish, and use in usual manner. If results are still not satisfactory, remove additional inappropriate populations and 'save changes.'

[tomcat]

... then is this just some admixture thing going on?...

PROBABLY. All my top matches are to populations with which I share no direct ancestry. My top matches score as high as 53, but it is only when I get down to score-range 16-14 (on an Extended Report) that I see any readings on my one-half Jewish ancestry or my Native American ancestry and there only to admixed populations.

Top matches are not 'wrong' or even 'useless' but they don't give me the information I want. Nevertheless they are allover the Middle East/ Asia Minor/Mediterranen and seem entirely appropriate as readings of my majority 'generic' ancestry.

[Kathleen Carrow]

So cool, but absolutely impossible to ever figure-out or attribute - one parent was either 11/16 or 11/17 and the other was either 13/16 or 13/17. You could run the allele pairs on Omnipop and see if you turn-up a clue.

Could you post completed result for both you and sister? I'm interested!

Well I am excited ..took me overnight for it to sink in that my sister's autosomal test gave me an extra glimpse at Dad's paternal ancestry as we do NOT match at all on 2 alleles
FGA 11,17 and 13,16
and D18 19,20 and 24,25
THX Tom for helping..