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**Jodee** · 27 March 2007, 10:02 AM

Tribes extended report

i got my extended Tribes report and been looking at the all small numbers on there of my known ancestry: Wales .08, Denmark .12, Glasgow, Scotland .17, Sweden .19, Switzerland .55, Germany all tallied up to 1.34, as compared to the mostly Hispanic, North African scores that keep haunting me

Could one distant family line be showing up as all of this, such as that Native American gr++grandfather? Or could the top match scores be something from much further back (ie. Celtic Galatian roots) and i'm just thinking too small?

My highest single NW European Tribes score is .65 Northern Ireland, which seemingly fits into the picture. Hopefully the upcoming D2 and D19 will tell more. i'll list my ENSFI matches as well.

So......do you think an AncestryByDNA test would add any clues?

Thanks for any suggestions - Jodee

Top Extended Match results
Caracas, Venezuela 7.46
Maracaibo, Venezuela 6.26
Toscana, Italy 6.16
El-Minia, Egypt 6.06
Moroccan (Belgium) 5.83
Maghrebi 5.53
Bocaya, Colombia 5.31
Campania, Italy 5.09
Costa Rica 4.95
Hispanic 4.69
Hispanic, Minn, US 4.57
Andalusia, Spain 4.37
Buenos Aires, Argentina 4.36
Hispanic, CA, US 4.25
Chilhuahua, Mexico 4.11
Brazil 3.89
Costa Rica 3.88
Hispanic 3.87
Hispanic, FL 3.87
Springfield, MA, US 3.13
etc.

ENFSI results (all E-13)
Italy 7.5308
Belgium 7.1968
Portugal 6.5443
Northern Ireland 5.3346
France/Lille 4.3983
Germany 3.5029
Denmark 3.1801
Spain 3.1601
France/Toulouse 3.0294
Norway 2.4610
Slovenia 2.4333
Sweden 2.3369
Switzerland 2.2170
Poland 1.8982
Netherlands 1.7640
Scotland/Glasgow 1.7502
Estonia 1.7367
England/Wales 1.7047
Finland 1.6366
Austria 1.5272
Scotland/Dundee 1.2569
Ireland 1.2547

**tomcat** · 27 March 2007, 10:46 AM

Originally posted by Jodee

...
Could one distant family line be showing up as all of this, such as that Native American gr++grandfather? Or could the top match scores be something from much further back (ie. Celtic Galatian roots) and i'm just thinking too small?
...
So......do you think an AncestryByDNA test would add any clues?
...

?1) No.
?2) No.
?3) Maybe.

Our allelic profiles are an absolute 50/50 composites of our parents' allelic profiles or nominally a 25/25/25/25 composite of grandparents' profiles, and so on back into time. Only if your family consistently procreated with a tribe would your allelic profile preserve alleles or allelic motifs that were characteristic of your tribe. Sorry

**Jodee** · 27 March 2007, 11:04 AM

Originally posted by tomcat

?1) No.
?2) No.
?3) Maybe.

Our allelic profiles are an absolute 50/50 composites of our parents' allelic profiles or nominally a 25/25/25/25 composite of grandparents' profiles, and so on back into time. Only if your family consistently procreated with a tribe would your allelic profile preserve alleles or allelic motifs that were characteristic of your tribe. Sorry

Thanks tomcat! Hmmmmm, then is this just some admixture thing going on?

**Kathleen Carrow** · 27 March 2007, 12:39 PM

Originally posted by tomcat

Even in my list of ENFSI matches and with no known 'Celtic' ancestry the 'Celtic' to South/Southeast pattern appears among my E15's -

#12 Norway to #13 Slovenia to #14 Ireland to #15 Toulouse to #16 Wales to #17 Croatia

Then the line wanders to Czech Rep. Austria, Poland, Germany, Estonia and Finland and goes to ground in Glasgow at E16. Except for the 'Celtic'-Balkan 'oscillation' across Europe and a zig-zag from Iberia to Scandinavia my pattern traces a path around the periphery of Europe.

See also the thread 'Italian Results'

Well here are his actual match scores and I guess they do "cluster"
I also think his parents alleles are remarkably similar..but guess they would be

both were Native Scots.. they actually met in US..

Italy 1.6019E-17

Estonia 5.5820E-18
Spain 4.4749E-18
Belgium 3.9208E-18

Portugal 2.3647E-18
Denmark 2.1251E-18

Austria 1.6835E-18
North Ireland 1.6019E-18
Switzerland 1.6010E-18

Poland 1.4067E-18
Scotland 1.3849E-18
Croatia 1.2009E-18
Germany 1.1203E-18

**Kathleen Carrow** · 27 March 2007, 02:00 PM

My Sisters markers..

Well some sort of miracle has happened and my sister's autosomal markers have come back..except for D2 and D19..in less than a week..

We match at 13 places out of 15 pairs..we are homozygous at TPOX and D5S but SOMETHING weird at D18..

Hers
11,13

Mine 16,17

??

**tomcat** · 27 March 2007, 02:14 PM

Originally posted by Kathleen Carrow

Well some sort of miracle has happened and my sister's autosomal markers have come back..except for D2 and D19..in less than a week..

We match at 13 places out of 15 pairs..we are homozygous at TPOX and D5S but SOMETHING weird at D18..

Hers
11,13

Mine 16,17

??

So cool, but absolutely impossible to ever figure-out or attribute - one parent was either 11/16 or 11/17 and the other was either 13/16 or 13/17. You could run the allele pairs on Omnipop and see if you turn-up a clue.

Could you post completed result for both you and sister? I'm interested!

**Kathleen Carrow** · 27 March 2007, 02:42 PM

Originally posted by tomcat

So cool, but absolutely impossible to ever figure-out or attribute - one parent was either 11/16 or 11/17 and the other was either 13/16 or 13/17. You could run the allele pairs on Omnipop and see if you turn-up a clue.

Could you post completed result for both you and sister? I'm interested!

well here they are..and I just ran hers on ENSI..as she is Irish as Paddy's Pig so I am jealous..
Ireland is #1 for her
Poland #2
germany #3
Sweden #4
Estonia #5

Kathleen ....... Carol
CSIPO 11,12........ 12,12
D13 14,15 ........ 9,14
D16 12,13 ........ 9,12
D18 16,17 ......... 11,13
D21 28,32.2 ........ 28,30
D3S 14,15 ......... 15,15
D5 11,12 .......... 11,12
D7 8,11............ 8,8
D8 12,14 ...... 13,14
FGA 19,24 ......... 20,25
Penta D ............ 11,11
Penta E 13,16 ............ 7,16
THO1 9.3,9.3 .......... 7,9.3
VWA 15,19 ........ 15,16

**Kathleen Carrow** · 27 March 2007, 02:45 PM

Originally posted by Kathleen Carrow

well here they are..and I just ran hers on ENSI..as she is Irish as Paddy's Pig so I am jealous..
Ireland is #1 for her
Poland #2
germany #3
Sweden #4
Estonia #5

Kathleen ....... Carol
CSIPO 11,12........ 12,12
D13 14,15 ........ 9,14
D16 12,13 ........ 9,12
D18 16,17 ......... 11,13
D21 28,32.2 ........ 28,30
D3S 14,15 ......... 15,15
D5 11,12 .......... 11,12
D7 8,11............ 8,8
D8 12,14 ...... 13,14
FGA 19,24 ......... 20,25
Penta D ............ 11,11
Penta E 13,16 ............ 7,16
THO1 9.3,9.3 .......... 7,9.3
VWA 15,19 ........ 15,16

Actually I guess we match at a lot more than 13 places..
how do you figure that..??

**rsychev** · 27 March 2007, 03:03 PM

Hello

Today I received my autosomal panel 1 and I am in dismay...

OmniPop motha****a (excuse me) told me that I am African American and Tunisian

But my genes mixed more 500 years just in Russia (paternal and maternal)

ENFSI told

Scottland/Dundee 7.3429E-12
Finland 6.4558E-12
Slovenia 4.6149E-11
Czech Republic 3.5365E-11
Estonia 3.4368E-11
Italy 3.1804E-11
Germany 2.4398E-11
Sweden 2.2036E-11
France/Toulouse 2.0624E-11
Poland 1.9335E-11

not Russian population

What is it?

**Kathleen Carrow** · 27 March 2007, 03:14 PM

Originally posted by rsychev

Hello

Today I received my autosomal panel 1 and I am in dismay...

OmniPop motha****a (excuse me) told me that I am African American and Tunisian

But my genes mixed more 500 years just in Russia (paternal and maternal)

ENFSI told

Scottland/Dundee 7.3429E-12
Finland 6.4558E-12
Slovenia 4.6149E-11
Czech Republic 3.5365E-11
Estonia 3.4368E-11
Italy 3.1804E-11
Germany 2.4398E-11
Sweden 2.2036E-11
France/Toulouse 2.0624E-11
Poland 1.9335E-11

not Russian population

What is it?

Remember that we mentioned that OMNIPOP not real good for admixed pops..or that is what we are currently hearing from Max..
Czech, Slovenia, Poland,Estonia,Finland sound Russian to me..at least from 1500-1800

**rsychev** · 27 March 2007, 03:18 PM

Originally posted by Kathleen Carrow

Czech, Slovenia, Poland,Estonia,Finland sound Russian to me..at least from 1500-1800

Thanks for answer

1500-1800 what is it?
years?

Scottland... where from?

Yes, most probably my maternal line have part finno ugrian genes... maybe

**Kathleen Carrow** · 27 March 2007, 03:25 PM

1500 to 1809 AD or whenever Russia annexed those countries back..

My Swanson came in 1809 which kinda tells me he might have been Danish? or Estonian instead of Swedish that was ht epolitical designation..
Scotland and Poland are very tightly linked for whatever reason..

go back a couple of messages and see my husband's results from last night..he is almost all Scottish..

**rsychev** · 27 March 2007, 03:30 PM

Ok

But I have no connexion with Scotland

Why it's top?

Originally posted by Kathleen Carrow

1500 to 1809 AD or whenever Russia annexed those countries back..

My Swanson came in 1809 which kinda tells me he might have been Danish? or Estonian instead of Swedish that was ht epolitical designation..
Scotland and Poland are very tightly linked for whatever reason..

go back a couple of messages and see my husband's results from last night..he is almost all Scottish..

I should think that it's wiredrawn comparisons. Really?

**Kathleen Carrow** · 27 March 2007, 03:37 PM

And I have no connection with Estonia but it is top..and my husband's is Italian as top..

I belive it means that your group or tribe came from that area before they arrive in Russia or Siberia..way way back..

**rsychev** · 27 March 2007, 03:41 PM

Originally posted by Kathleen Carrow

I belive it means that your group or tribe came from that area before they arrive in Russia or Siberia..way way back..

No... not Siberia

russian people (slavs) migrate to Siberia just about 16 century... my ancestors not

Central and Eastern Russia. 300 years wayback.

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