Tribes scores

[burto]

Hi,
Just wondering what other people's Tribes scores were? Those who know they are of a particular population, did you get similar scores?
PM if you don't wish to post, just curious.

[Black Dutch]

Native American Panel Results

Athabaskan .087
Hna Hnu (Hidalgo,Mexico) .035
Chol (Chiapas,MX.) .029
Apache .026
Navajo .015
Cree (Canada) .003
Puna (Argentina) .003
Huastecos (Mex) .002
Salish (Can) .001

Is there enough to show definitively Native American or is it possibly matching with Asian markers from my Pennsylvania Dutch (Black Dutch)?
The update they sent have me as follows (World Region Match):
NW European 21.6
Mediterranean 10.4
Finno-Ugrian 8.9
Asia Minor 6.9
Eastern European 2.2
Mestizo 1.1
Arabian 0.9
N. African 0.9
Basque 0.5
S. Saharan African 0.2
S. Indian 0.1

Global Match:
Scotland 28.7
N. Ireland 24.1
Denmark 18.7
Sweden 13
Norway 12.8
Scotland (Glasgow) 12.4
Caucasian (Australia) 10.4
Ireland 10.1
Hispanic Michigan 9.4
Hispanic 7.9
Dundee Scot. 7.8
Caucasian 7.4
Italian 7.3
Norway 6.6
Caucasian 6.5
Madeira Archipelago 6.2
German 5.9

Still showing the 2 Hispanic matches and the Mestizo is new. Am I part Native American or is it Asian?

[burto]

Have you scores changed much since the upgrade?

[Sonia]

Too Much Admixture? DB too Small?

Hi,
Just wondering what other people's Tribes scores were? Those who know they are of a particular population, did you get similar scores?
PM if you don't wish to post, just curious.

Hi Burto,

Before I forget, did you get a response from the Omnipop programmer?

My 101 year old maternal Gram's Tribes Scores were very inconclusive. Tribes suggests it's due to the admixture (ABD2.5 82% Sub-Saharan African & 18% European) and not having samples representing her background in the database. So, I'm keeping an eye out for when they update the populations. We have no clue about the European, and she's always said NA. I've got documentation of all 4 of her grandparents being enslaved in SC, as well as 4 of her 8 great-grandparents.

Parts B & C for her top 20 were heavy in the Asian areas: 4 in India (including the top 3 with values of 49.6, 38.4, & 37.2); 4 in China, 3 in Italy, 2 in Mongolia, 2 in Tibet, and 1 each in Spain, Vietnam, Japan, Turkey, & Egypt.

Part D Values show the real weakness:
Sub-Saharan Africa - 0.4
North Africa - 0.3
Arabian - 0.1
Places listed > 0.0 and < 0.1: Tibetan, Asia Minor, Mestizo, Western European, North Indian, Mediterranean, East Asian, and Southeast Asian.

Any input on interpretation? I already thought of Heinz 57
Thanks,

[Maria_W]

Native panel.

I am 10% Native American, Potowomeck, from Stafford and King George County, Virginia, The Potowomeck were one of the tribes in the Powatan Confederacy, ruled by Wahunsenacawh. My ancestor Japasaw was brother to Wahunsenacawh. So I know that much already I just thought this might turn up something else. I ordered the native panel and then I found out that it was basically for people who were of unmixed ancestry. Well I had already committed to the test so I wanted to see it through. I am pleasantly surprised at the results. Not becasue of the scores, since the are microscopic but by the fact that I even got on the map. I didn't expect any mathces. I'll take them! Maria

Salish (Coastal British Columbia, Canada): 0.047
Chol (Chiapas, Mexico ) : 0.003
Inuipat (Alaska) : 0.001

[Maria_W]

Black Dutch.
My ancestor Japasaw was Pumunkey untill his brother Wahunsenacawh changed Japasaws tribal affiliation to Potowomeck(Potomac river is named after them) when he was given the tribe to rule over. Japasaw was Weroance of Pasapatanzy. What people would call a minor cheif. I would think that it would very confusing to change tribes. How is your application going? Hope you are accepted. Maria

[tomcat]

Black Dutch.
My ancestor Japasaw was Pumunkey untill his brother Wahunsenacawh changed Japasaws tribal affiliation to Potowomeck(Potomac river is named after them) when he was given the tribe to rule over. Japasaw was Weroance of Pasapatanzy. What people would call a minor cheif. I would think that it would very confusing to change tribes. How is your application going? Hope you are accepted. Maria

Was this part of the Iroqouis ascendancy when they held sway over many Algonquian tribes and appointed second chiefs among the Algonquian, chiefs subservient to the Iroquois?

I wasn't aware that Iroquois influence went that far south, I did know that it went to the Mississippi in the west.

Tom

[tomcat]

Hi,
Just wondering what other people's Tribes scores were? Those who know they are of a particular population, did you get similar scores?
PM if you don't wish to post, just curious.

My Tribes Global are virtually identical to my Tribes Native, the Native -
Piemonte Italy 7.3
Turkish 6.9
Liguria Italy 5.6
NW Italy (Piemonte) 5.5
Podlasie (NE Poland) 5.4
Marche Italy 5.2
Campania Italy 5.2
Jordanian 5.1
Afghan 5.0
Turkish 4.8
NE Spain 4.8
Greek Cypriot 4.7
Turkish 4.6
N. Portugal 4.4
N. Iraq Kurd 4.1
Emilia-Romagna Italy 3.8
Chinese 3.8
Szekler (Romania) 3.8
Flemish 3.4
Dhaka Bangladesh 3.3

Tom

[tomcat]

...My 101 year old maternal Gram's Tribes Scores were very inconclusive. Tribes suggests it's due to the admixture (ABD2.5 82% Sub-Saharan African & 18% European) and not having samples representing her background in the database...

I would think they could do the same sort of analysis for Africans as is now done for Native American - just run the profile against un-admixed African population samples.

Tom

[haplogroupc]

My Native Population scores:

Belorussian 5.8
Austrian 2.7
Sicilia, Italy 1.7
Lithuanian 1.5
Slovenian 1.4
Vienna, Austria 1.2
Marmara, Turkey 1.0
Northeast Poland 1.0
Swiss 0.9
Bucharest, Romania 0.8
Russian 0.7
Emilia-Romagna, Italy 0.7
Czech 0.6
Bavarian (Germany) 0.6
Lodz, Poland 0.6
Toulouse, France 0.6
Macedonian 0.5
Northeast Spain 0.5
Portugese (Central Portugal) 0.5
Turkish 0.4

Global Population:

Misiones, Argentina 16.9
Paraguayan 13.3
Belem, Brazil 12.6
Caracas, Venezuela 12.4
Hispanic (California, U.S.A.) 10.0
Buenos Aires, Argentina 9.3
Mexican (Chihuahua, Mexico) 8.0
Hispanic (U.S.A.) 6.9
Mestizo (Ecuador) 6.6
Belorussian 5.8
Mendoza, Argentina 5.0
Central Mexico 3.6
Chubut, Argentina 3.5
Hispanic (Arizona, U.S.A.) 3.5
Brazilian 3.1
Hispanic 3.1
Austrian 2.7
Rio Negro, Argentina 2.6
Costa Rican 2.6
Colombian 2.5

My Ancestry By DNA test was 60 percent Native American, 40 percent European. I don't know all of my European ancestry except for an ancestor from Italy and another who is rumored to have been from Spain.

[Maria_W]

No connection.

My understanding is that the Northern Iroquoian occupied Southern Ontario, upper New York state, and the majority of the Saint Lawrence and Susquehanna Valley. Major tribes: Saint Lawrence Iroquians, Mohawk, Oneida, Onondoga, Cayuga, Senaca, Tuscarora, Huron, Erie, Susquehannock. I have heard of Virginia and N.C. Iroquoians. The Eastern Algonquian occupied Atlantic provinces of Canada and the seaboard of the United States to North Carolina. Major Tribes: Powatan( His real name was Wahunsenacawh and he was Pumunkey, Potowomeck is one of the 30 some tribes he ruled over) Micmac, Maliseet-Passamaquoddy, Eastern Abenaki, Lenni-Lanape, Nanticoke. But to answer your question to my knowledge we were never under the rule of the Iroquoian. Maria

[Black Dutch]

Black Dutch.
My ancestor Japasaw was Pumunkey untill his brother Wahunsenacawh changed Japasaws tribal affiliation to Potowomeck(Potomac river is named after them) when he was given the tribe to rule over. Japasaw was Weroance of Pasapatanzy. What people would call a minor cheif. I would think that it would very confusing to change tribes. How is your application going? Hope you are accepted. Maria

Maria,

Have not heard back from Chief or Tribal Council, but was given some info by someone else whose grandparents had lived on the REZ. They told me that even with his close relationship for some reason he was denied membership. Did not say the reason.
Still am hoping there is a chance. Sent a lot of documents with the application.

Thanks For Your Support,
Tom K.

[Maria_W]

Black Dutch.

I really hope that you are accepted. Since Wahunsenacawh changed our tribal connection, I can't apply to the Pumunkey, becasue I am no longer considered Pumunkey which is state. As far as the Potowomeck bloodline I am out of luck. At least you are a decendent of a state tribe. We do not have state recognition right now. We have been working hard for 10 years and so far nothing. We had Helen Roundtree, retired Professor of Anthropology at Old Dominon University and well known author helping us for awhile but found out that she was only collecting information from the tribes in Virginia to write books. This set us back quite abit. Then they lost our documentation. We had to resubmit. Some of this can't be replaced becasue we only had one copy of a map. The information deadline was suppose to be Sept. Well see what happens. Now heres the problem. One holdup beleive or not is casino's. There is a person that wants us to sign a paper stating that we will never open a casino. Becasue of moral resons he tribe doesn't intend to but we shouldn't be blackmailed into it either. Basically if we give up the casino option then he'll push for state. This is the deal for me even though I decend from the brother of Wahunsenacawh, Japasaw, from several lines, I can not enroll fully, even though I am 10% Native American , have that blood running through my veins, unless I move to VA or unless they change tribal rules. I know numerous decendents who are out of state. I know the tribal historian and his cousin is the cheif, I still live outside of Va. Just becasue you have the DNA doesn't mean you can always get enrolled. So I really truely wish everyone that is looking for their heritage the best of luck... Maria

[burto]

Global Population:

Misiones, Argentina 16.9
Paraguayan 13.3
Belem, Brazil 12.6
Caracas, Venezuela 12.4
Hispanic (California, U.S.A.) 10.0
Buenos Aires, Argentina 9.3
Mexican (Chihuahua, Mexico) 8.0
Hispanic (U.S.A.) 6.9
Mestizo (Ecuador) 6.6
Belorussian 5.8
Mendoza, Argentina 5.0
Central Mexico 3.6
Chubut, Argentina 3.5
Hispanic (Arizona, U.S.A.) 3.5
Brazilian 3.1
Hispanic 3.1
Austrian 2.7
Rio Negro, Argentina 2.6
Costa Rican 2.6
Colombian 2.5

My Ancestry By DNA test was 60 percent Native American, 40 percent European.

That is really interesting that you of known Hispanic and you have such strong scores...Mum's global is a European Hispanic mix, but with more Spanish populations over her Hispanic ones. I wonder if this shows that there is less Native in us than you (which we would expect)? You are 60% Native 40% European so you would expect more Native matches. Mum is 50% Anglo Saxon so you would expect lower scores...fascinating

[burto]

Hi Burto,

Before I forget, did you get a response from the Omnipop programmer?

Thanks,

Not heard from him yet.