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**Marttinen** · 7 August 2006, 11:10 PM

Excellent. A wonderful surprise.

**KerryODair** · 8 August 2006, 09:24 PM

Originally posted by Victor

Exclusively for M78+ members of the E3b project.

I hope the diagrams in the links below help you to sort out your subclusters or at least to know who's haplotype is genetically closer to yours..

Median joining networks
http://img320.imageshack.us/img320/7885/12m78ie4.jpg
http://img344.imageshack.us/img344/6002/25m78ke7.jpg
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/38/37m78rj3.jpg

Phylograms
http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/9753/12m78ptja4.jpg
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/1910/25m78ptvi2.jpg
http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/8946/37m78ptzs2.jpg

Unrooted trees
http://img112.imageshack.us/img112/7854/12m78utpg4.jpg
http://img350.imageshack.us/img350/206/25m78utgj7.jpg
http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/6572/37m78utsa6.jpg

Best Wishes!

Victor.

In Victors Diagrams these seven testors align very closely. Here are there numbers from the e3b Group Project. These seven testors seem to be at the extreme's for all the diagrams. There is a common allele number for all of these testors at allele 426 (11), 388 (12), 392 (11), 459b (9), 455 (11), 454(11), 437 (14), IIa (19), 607 (12), 438 (10). These are 10 identical allele's for 37 markers in all these people. I do seem to remember reading the 607 allele at 12 is a significant number in identifying one of the subclades in M78. Just seeing some interesting number frequency based on the diagrams. Can somebody help me with the 607 allele number and its significance. Thanks for the m78 diagrams Victor.

52277 O'Dair E3b1 13 23 13 10 16 16 11 12 12 13 11 31 15 9 9 11 11 25 14 21 31 13 14 15 17 10 9 19 22 16 12 17 17 32 35 13 10
10640 Rossi E3b1 13 24 14 11 18 18 11 12 12 13 11 30 15 8 9 11 11 26 14 19 34 14 14 16 16
48842 Thorn E3b1 14 24 15 10 18 19 11 12 13 13 11 30 17 9 9 11 11 25 14 20 34 15 16 16 17 10 11 19 20 16 12 18 18 34 36 11 10
N17105 Greene E3b1 13 22 14 10 16 17 11 12 12 14 11 31 16 9 9 11 11 26 14 19 34 14 16 17 17 9 11 19 21 18 12 16 19 30 33 11 10
54449 Wilson E3b1 13 24 14 10 17 19 11 12 11 13 11 30 15 9 9 11 11 26 14 20 31 15 15 16 18 10 12 19 22 15 12 17 20 35 35 12 10
N3997 Shirts E3b1 13 23 13 10 15 16 11 12 13 14 11 32 15 9 9 11 11 24 14 20 33 14 16 16 17 18 10 10 19 21 16 12 17 21 30 37 13 10
32907 Jones E3b1 13 24 13 11 16 18 11 12 11 12 11 29 15 9 9 11 11 25 14 20 32 14 15 16 17 10 11 19 21 18 12 17 20 30 37 12 10

**Victor** · 8 August 2006, 11:31 PM

Do you mean Garvey's Y Haplogroup E3b page?

The authors found that E3b1-alpha haplotypes typically have the unusual alleles of DYS460=9, and DYS413a,b=23,24. (Testing of DYS413 is not commercially available at the present time). Examination of the YSearch and YBase databases indicates that the E3b1-alpha cluster may also be characterized by YCAIIa,b=19,21, DYS442=10 or 11, and DYS607=12.

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb...._E3b.html#E3b1

**KerryODair** · 9 August 2006, 10:12 AM

Originally posted by Victor

Do you mean Garvey's Y Haplogroup E3b page?

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb...._E3b.html#E3b1

Thanks Victor, for the refresh on Steve Garvey. It surprises me that they have not found a beta m78+ in the public databases. You would think someone through diffusion somewhere would be in the database. It certainly appears that the seven testors I mentioned would most likely be alpha m78's. However, they are all so outside the modal, there must be some interesting snp's to be found yet in the alpha group. I though my numbers were somewhat unusal, but these six other testors seem to be close in a group with me as well. I am curious where some of these new snp's will fall in relation to geographic location in Europe Iberian, Italy, Balkan, or Turkey.

**da Silva** · 9 August 2006, 04:13 PM

[QUOTE=KerryODair]In Victors Diagrams these seven testors align very closely. Here are there numbers from the e3b Group Project. These seven testors seem to be at the extreme's for all the diagrams. There is a common allele number for all of these testors at allele 426 (11), 388 (12), 392 (11), 459b (9), 455 (11), 454(11), 437 (14), IIa (19), 607 (12), 438 (10).

Make that eight testors. You might want to check E3b1 kit number 40329. I also am SNP confirmed M78+ and have the same common allele values as the seven you are considering.

**KerryODair** · 9 August 2006, 08:35 PM

[QUOTE=da Silva]

Originally posted by KerryODair

In Victors Diagrams these seven testors align very closely. Here are there numbers from the e3b Group Project. These seven testors seem to be at the extreme's for all the diagrams. There is a common allele number for all of these testors at allele 426 (11), 388 (12), 392 (11), 459b (9), 455 (11), 454(11), 437 (14), IIa (19), 607 (12), 438 (10).

Make that eight testors. You might want to check E3b1 kit number 40329. I also am SNP confirmed M78+ and have the same common allele values as the seven you are considering.

Da Silva, I was looking at the data again. I was only looking at testors close to me on the diagrams. Of those seven I saw the allele combination that was common to all seven. However, after seeing your post, I went back to all the e3b1 testors and found for the most part all e3b1's have these alleles in common. There are a few exceptions at 607 459b, but for the most part, all the e3b1's in the project have these allele's in common. It's not just those seven testor's that I orginially looked at. Oh, Well. That's what I get for looking at the numbers to long.

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