J2 Y DNA project - Update

[CNT]

Hello all,

This is a short post to announce that the project member map has been updated.

http://www.j2-ydnaproject.net/public_results.html

Most recent additions to the website

Sub-clade marker analysis summary :

http://www.j2-ydnaproject.net/analysisphase2.html

Individual marker results (including allele frequency graphs):

http://www.j2-ydnaproject.net/J2markeralles_1st12.html

http://www.j2-ydnaproject.net/J2markeralles_secondpanel.html

http://www.j2-ydnaproject.net/J2markeralles_thirdpanel.html

Genealogy corner :

http://www.j2-ydnaproject.net/genealogy.html

Best regards,


Costa.Tsirigakis
Founder & Group administrator:

Angela Cone
Co-administrator

J2 Y-DNA Project : http://www.j2-ydnaproject.net/

[Geraldine]

Recent Ancestral Origins calculations

I'm an Mt J2 awaiting an Mt upgrade, so all may eventually be answered, but in the meantime as a raw beginner I'm puzzled by the way the countries are asigned.
I know only a few generations on my maternal line but I do know that my earliest known maternal ancestor was born about c1823 on the east coast of Northern Ireland. Then on the way down a mixture of English and Welsh.

My recent Ancestral Origins HVR1 Low Resolution Matches from FTDNA show, inter alia,
British Isles 2 (372)
England 8 (3374)
Great Britain 2 (514)
Ireland 3 (3140)
Scotland 4 (1506)
United Kingdom 5 (2310)
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France 9 (1223)
Germany 8 (3733)
Sweden 5 (715)
Poland 5 (1337)
Spain 3 (436)
Norway 2 (587)
The rest are ones (1).

If a broad brush is taken the "British Isles" shows a match of 24.
My question is how do they define each of these British Isles (apologies to the Southern Irish for lumping them in with the rest) areas?
Geraldine

[rsychev]

This is a short post to announce that the project member map has been updated

Don't see update.

[hdw]

I'm an Mt J2 awaiting an Mt upgrade, so all may eventually be answered, but in the meantime as a raw beginner I'm puzzled by the way the countries are asigned.
I know only a few generations on my maternal line but I do know that my earliest known maternal ancestor was born about c1823 on the east coast of Northern Ireland. Then on the way down a mixture of English and Welsh.

My recent Ancestral Origins HVR1 Low Resolution Matches from FTDNA show, inter alia,
British Isles 2 (372)
England 8 (3374)
Great Britain 2 (514)
Ireland 3 (3140)
Scotland 4 (1506)
United Kingdom 5 (2310)
-----------------
France 9 (1223)
Germany 8 (3733)
Sweden 5 (715)
Poland 5 (1337)
Spain 3 (436)
Norway 2 (587)
The rest are ones (1).

If a broad brush is taken the "British Isles" shows a match of 24.
My question is how do they define each of these British Isles (apologies to the Southern Irish for lumping them in with the rest) areas?
Geraldine

Speaking as a native, I don't understand this, as Great Britain and the United Kingdom are one and the same thing. The British Isles includes the Republic of Ireland too.

Harry

[Geraldine]

Mt J2 country definitions

I agree. How do these distinctions come about and what are the geographical definitions?
Geraldine

[Johnserrat]

Speaking as a native, I don't understand this, as Great Britain and the United Kingdom are one and the same thing. The British Isles includes the Republic of Ireland too.

Harry

FTDNA does this for a number of different countries. For example Holland and The Netherlands are the same place as well, and despite my complaints, continue to both be listed. It is really time that FTDNA does something about this!

John

[Victor]

I'm an Mt J2 awaiting an Mt upgrade, so all may eventually be answered, but in the meantime as a raw beginner I'm puzzled by the way the countries are asigned.
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Geraldine

Hi, don't feel bad but I think the announcement refers to Y-DNA J2 not mitochondrial J2. Confusion happens often.
VV

[Donald Locke]

Speaking as a native, I don't understand this, as Great Britain and the United Kingdom are one and the same thing. The British Isles includes the Republic of Ireland too.

Harry

I believe this has more to do with the participants responce then it does with FTDNA. Each participant is allowed to list any place of origin they so choose to, thus that reflects on your results page.

In my case, I typed in England as my surnames place of origin and I believe that is reflected on anyones results page if they match me. The code that collects this information only uses what the user their self types in as the place of origin. I don't know this to be true and factual, but I am presuming that is the case here. It isn't FTDNA stating the place of origin, it is the participants themselves who posted it, if I am not mistaken.

[Geraldine]

I think you've got the answer Donald Locke. I realised that because European settlement occurred much later in Australia (1788 on) than in America we have very different immigration records. Our numbers were not as numerous as yours and perhaps for this reason our records are more detailed. A vast number of our immigrants arrived as assisted passengers and the records kept by immigration agents usually show the country of origin (native place) if not the immigrant's county or town. If you are lucky enough to have a convict forbear you also have a physical description.
When I've tried to check names of immigrants to America (where I know that members of a family migrated there) I've realised that sometimes only a name is listed. No doubt the sheer volume of immigrants made scant records a necessity.
So, perhaps some people guess, from family stories, that the earliest ancestor came from the British Isles or United Kingdom. Perhaps it would be helpful if FT asked people to narrow the place of origin down if known.
Geraldine