Announcement: Benelux Geographical Project

[GvdM]

37-marker I haplotype for Benelux Region

Benelux Region 37-marker I Haplotype (as always, subject to change)

393

13

390

22

19

14

391

10

385 a

13

386 b

14

426

11

388

14

439

11

389-1

12

392

11

389-2

28

458

15

459a

8

459b

9

455

8

454

11

447

23

437

16

448

20

449

28

464a

12

464b

14

464c

15

464d

15

460

10

GATA H4

10

YCA II a

19

YCA II b

21

456

14

607

14

576

16

570

21

CDY a

35

CDY b

36

442

12

438

10

[GvdM]

We are presently running about a 50-50 split between R1b1 and I haplogroups in this project. We should have a decent idea on modal haplotypes for both these groupings.

Other haplogroups are sparse having (1) G and (1) G2

[Stevo]

I'm familiar with Damvelt only because he is one of my closer matches (gd of 10 at 37 markers) and matches me exactly on the 16 slowest markers that several of us were horsing around with lately over on the R1b Forum.

[GvdM]

That may be nearly as effective. Perhaps the additional markers will sort out his haplogroup.

Damvelt is listed on John McEwan's SNP Results Table among the R1bSTR22 "Frisian" bunch.

Thanks, I'll get the info there

[Stevo]

No, he hasn't. He has an upgrade in for 37 though.

That may be nearly as effective. Perhaps the additional markers will sort out his haplogroup.

Damvelt is listed on John McEwan's SNP Results Table among the R1bSTR22 "Frisian" bunch.

[GvdM]

Has Bill ordered an SNP test?

No, he hasn't. He has an upgrade in for 37 though.

[GvdM]

Sharp looking project, George. Wish I could join it, but I am Dutch through a lovely female ancestor.

I guess Damvelt did his R1b-SNP testing through Ethnoancestry. I know he has been SNP tested and is R1b1c9 (S21+), but I see he is still listed in the red of a prediction as R1b1.

Has Bill ordered an SNP test?

I agree with you that he may turn out to be some kind of I in the end.

Interesting how DYS390=23, DYS391=11, and DYS392=13 seem to be pretty nearly universal among the R1bs in your project.

It would really be interesting to see how many of the R1bs in your project besides Damvelt are S21+. That recent study by Dr. James Wilson and his colleagues found S21+ in over 75% of the R1bs in the Netherlands and North Germany. I wonder if your project would reflect a similar result.

I noticed that van de Merbel has that telltale 8 at DYS455. He's an I1a.

Al ordered the DSNP for R1b. after that we will do the S series at EA. It would be identical to mine so I saw no reason to spend the cash for both of us.

I should email Marine and get his full SNP results. I want to see the correlations. I was not aware he tested.

[Stevo]

Sharp looking project, George. Wish I could join it, but I am Dutch through a lovely female ancestor.

I guess Damvelt did his R1b-SNP testing through Ethnoancestry. I know he has been SNP tested and is R1b1c9 (S21+), but I see he is still listed in the red of a prediction as R1b1.

Has Bill ordered an SNP test?

I agree with you that he may turn out to be some kind of I in the end.

Interesting how DYS390=23, DYS391=11, and DYS392=13 seem to be pretty nearly universal among the R1bs in your project.

It would really be interesting to see how many of the R1bs in your project besides Damvelt are S21+. That recent study by Dr. James Wilson and his colleagues found S21+ in over 75% of the R1bs in the Netherlands and North Germany. I wonder if your project would reflect a similar result.

I noticed that van de Merbel has that telltale 8 at DYS455. He's an I1a.

[GvdM]

Well, it went to 7 members pretty quick. I hope this keeps up and we find some sort of patern in this geographical region.

[GvdM]

I would like to announce the start of a new yDNA Geographic project. The Benelux Geographical Project is open to all those with male line roots originating in the area of the Lowlands in Western Europe.

Project Goals:

To establish a growing database of data for tested participants with origins in the Benelux Region (Belgium, the Netherlands and Luxembourg).

To chart and group common test results.

To chart and possibly determine geographical grouping's common to the lowlands area..

Further information is available at the project website: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/benelux/