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  • Announcement: Benelux Geographical Project

    I would like to announce the start of a new yDNA Geographic project. The Benelux Geographical Project is open to all those with male line roots originating in the area of the Lowlands in Western Europe.

    Project Goals:

    To establish a growing database of data for tested participants with origins in the Benelux Region (Belgium, the Netherlands and Luxembourg).

    To chart and group common test results.

    To chart and possibly determine geographical grouping's common to the lowlands area..

    Further information is available at the project website: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/benelux/

  • #2
    Well, it went to 7 members pretty quick. I hope this keeps up and we find some sort of patern in this geographical region.

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    • #3
      Sharp looking project, George. Wish I could join it, but I am Dutch through a lovely female ancestor.

      I guess Damvelt did his R1b-SNP testing through Ethnoancestry. I know he has been SNP tested and is R1b1c9 (S21+), but I see he is still listed in the red of a prediction as R1b1.

      Has Bill ordered an SNP test?

      I agree with you that he may turn out to be some kind of I in the end.

      Interesting how DYS390=23, DYS391=11, and DYS392=13 seem to be pretty nearly universal among the R1bs in your project.

      It would really be interesting to see how many of the R1bs in your project besides Damvelt are S21+. That recent study by Dr. James Wilson and his colleagues found S21+ in over 75% of the R1bs in the Netherlands and North Germany. I wonder if your project would reflect a similar result.

      I noticed that van de Merbel has that telltale 8 at DYS455. He's an I1a.
      Last edited by Stevo; 5 August 2006, 08:39 AM.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Stevo
        Sharp looking project, George. Wish I could join it, but I am Dutch through a lovely female ancestor.

        I guess Damvelt did his R1b-SNP testing through Ethnoancestry. I know he has been SNP tested and is R1b1c9 (S21+), but I see he is still listed in the red of a prediction as R1b1.

        Has Bill ordered an SNP test?

        I agree with you that he may turn out to be some kind of I in the end.

        Interesting how DYS390=23, DYS391=11, and DYS392=13 seem to be pretty nearly universal among the R1bs in your project.

        It would really be interesting to see how many of the R1bs in your project besides Damvelt are S21+. That recent study by Dr. James Wilson and his colleagues found S21+ in over 75% of the R1bs in the Netherlands and North Germany. I wonder if your project would reflect a similar result.

        I noticed that van de Merbel has that telltale 8 at DYS455. He's an I1a.

        Al ordered the DSNP for R1b. after that we will do the S series at EA. It would be identical to mine so I saw no reason to spend the cash for both of us.

        I should email Marine and get his full SNP results. I want to see the correlations. I was not aware he tested.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Stevo

          Has Bill ordered an SNP test?
          No, he hasn't. He has an upgrade in for 37 though.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by GvdM
            No, he hasn't. He has an upgrade in for 37 though.
            That may be nearly as effective. Perhaps the additional markers will sort out his haplogroup.

            Damvelt is listed on John McEwan's SNP Results Table among the R1bSTR22 "Frisian" bunch.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Stevo
              That may be nearly as effective. Perhaps the additional markers will sort out his haplogroup.

              Damvelt is listed on John McEwan's SNP Results Table among the R1bSTR22 "Frisian" bunch.

              Thanks, I'll get the info there

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              • #8
                I'm familiar with Damvelt only because he is one of my closer matches (gd of 10 at 37 markers) and matches me exactly on the 16 slowest markers that several of us were horsing around with lately over on the R1b Forum.

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                • #9
                  We are presently running about a 50-50 split between R1b1 and I haplogroups in this project. We should have a decent idea on modal haplotypes for both these groupings.

                  Other haplogroups are sparse having (1) G and (1) G2

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                  • #10
                    37-marker I haplotype for Benelux Region

                    Benelux Region 37-marker I Haplotype (as always, subject to change)

                    393
                    13
                    390
                    22
                    19
                    14
                    391
                    10
                    385 a
                    13
                    386 b
                    14
                    426
                    11
                    388
                    14
                    439
                    11
                    389-1
                    12
                    392
                    11
                    389-2
                    28
                    458
                    15
                    459a
                    8
                    459b
                    9
                    455
                    8
                    454
                    11
                    447
                    23
                    437
                    16
                    448
                    20
                    449
                    28
                    464a
                    12
                    464b
                    14
                    464c
                    15
                    464d
                    15
                    460
                    10
                    GATA H4
                    10
                    YCA II a
                    19
                    YCA II b
                    21
                    456
                    14
                    607
                    14
                    576
                    16
                    570
                    21
                    CDY a
                    35
                    CDY b
                    36
                    442
                    12
                    438
                    10

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