I1a

[gthirkleby]

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Hi
I have had 43 markers tested.

Results: http://www1.tribalpages.com/tribe/br...rand=483488090

My DYS437=17 which is rare. Do other I1a share this result?

John

[Stevo]

Have you checked out this site yet?

It has a wealth of information on I1a and its various clusters.

[Eki]

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Hi
I have had 43 markers tested.

Results: http://www1.tribalpages.com/tribe/br...rand=483488090

My DYS437=17 which is rare. Do other I1a share this result?

John

Among the 90 participants in the I1a-project, only one had DYS437=17, so I guess it is rare:

http://www.familytreedna.com/(0adsm3...xed_columns=on

[gthirkleby]

John

Thanks Stevo, It looks interesting

John

[lgmayka]

Among the 90 participants in the I1a-project, only one had DYS437=17, so I guess it is rare:

http://www.familytreedna.com/(0adsm3...xed_columns=on

The Polish project has one also, kit # 24475:

http://www.ftdna.com/public/polish

[Stevo]

John -

Is your surname Thirkleby, by chance?

Sure sounds like it might have originally been Thorkelby, which would mean Thorkel's Farm.

You're probably aware that Thorkel was a Viking name.

Seeing that you are I1a, that makes a lot of sense, especially up there in Yorkshire.

(I sent you a pm, but I'm not sure you got it.)

[Stevo]

John -

Is your surname Thirkleby, by chance?

Sure sounds like it might have originally been Thorkelby, which would mean Thorkel's Farm.

You're probably aware that Thorkel was a Viking name.

Seeing that you are I1a, that makes a lot of sense, especially up there in Yorkshire.

(I sent you a pm, but I'm not sure you got it.)

A little Googling brought up Great Thirkleby, which I see is a parish in North Yorkshire. I guess that would account for the "gthirkleby" screen name.

Sorry, John.

Still, the connection to a Viking named Thorkel seems likely, at least for the naming of Great Thirkleby.

[gthirkleby]

Stevo

Hi
Yes you got it right in the end, well done. My name is Hall. Very commom name. Most haplotypes are R1b. I am the only I1a so far. The best I could do is to be from the original Hall family Fitzwilliam-Halle. A viking lot from France.
You live in hope.

Best wishes

John

[Eki]

Hi
Yes you got it right in the end, well done. My name is Hall. Very commom name. Most haplotypes are R1b. I am the only I1a so far. The best I could do is to be from the original Hall family Fitzwilliam-Halle. A viking lot from France.
You live in hope.

Best wishes

John

Your haplotype points to the Norse/Normans and Fitz- point to Normans too, so I guess there's a good chance.

http://www.sloansterling.com/venable...an_surname.htm

"Most younger sons would never get to use the family surname. Fitz names, prefixing the font name, were believed to be a sign of bastardy, or, in those days known as 'natural' sons. However, a more plausible explanation, might be that of a younger son who did not hold a domain, and could not use his father's surname until after the father's death. Hence, Fitz became a temporary surname, which sometimes held in its own right."

[gthirkleby]

i1a

Eki

Thanks for the information Eki, will have to keep looking

John

[Stevo]

Hi
Yes you got it right in the end, well done. My name is Hall. Very commom name. Most haplotypes are R1b. I am the only I1a so far. The best I could do is to be from the original Hall family Fitzwilliam-Halle. A viking lot from France.
You live in hope.

Best wishes

John

Thanks, John. Have you ever read anything on the origin of the name Great Thirkleby?

There were R1b Vikings, as well as I1a, I1c, and R1a Vikings, by the way. Neither Scandinavia nor Normandy is genetically homogeneous, and those y-haplogroups are all substantially represented there.

Still, as Eki pointed out, your haplotype points to Viking ancestry, especially given the area in which you live.