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  • Reference behind maps at Relative Genetics

    Relative Genetics has some interesting maps of haplogroup concentration:

    http://www.relativegenetics.com/geno...ges/haploMaps/

    The question is, What is their reference for these? Are they using scholarly research only? Their own statistics from customers only, or also? Publicly available statistics from other testing companies (e.g., Ysearch)?

    The ones that look particularly intriguing to me are:

    I1a
    http://www.relativegenetics.com/geno...a_large_RG.jpg
    Notice the minor centers in Serbia, Belarus, and Russia.

    I1b
    http://www.relativegenetics.com/geno...b_large_RG.jpg
    Notice the minor center in Moldova.

    I1c
    http://www.relativegenetics.com/geno...c_large_RG.jpg
    Notice the minor centers in Moldova, Russia, and Albania.

    R1a
    http://www.relativegenetics.com/geno...a_large_RG.jpg
    Notice the minor centers in southwestern Poland and Serbia.

    R1b
    http://www.relativegenetics.com/geno...b_large_RG.jpg
    Notice the minor centers in southern Poland and the Caucasus.

    I do wish the maps offered the ability to superimpose modern borders, just so I could be sure I was describing the minor centers correctly.

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    I have wondered about the same things.

    The shading seems a bit too precise to me, but what do I know?

    It would be helpful if RG provided some sort of bibliography for those maps.

    One thing seems apparent: the shading is based on proportion rather than numbers. For example, it is fairly obvious that there are more R1bs in Germany than in the Pyrenees, but their proportion of the general male population is relatively smaller.

    It would also be interesting to see maps based strictly on numbers, i.e., where the biggest populations of a particular y-haplogroup are found.
    Last edited by Stevo; 13 July 2006, 06:11 AM.

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    • #3
      Omnipop?

      THIS IS NOT REALLY A REPLY, BUT I COULDN'T FIGURE OUT HOW TO POST. DID NOT SEE ANYTHING ABOUT POSTING A NEW MESSAGE, I APOLOGIZE FOR PUTTING THIS QUESTION HERE. I'VE NEVER POSTED ANYWHERE ON ANY SITE, YEP, I'M A VIRGIN. I CAN NOT GET OMNIPOP TO WORK FOR ME. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO PUT MY RESULTS FOR AUTOSOMAL MARKERS OR X-STR MARKERS IN OMNIPOP OR WHERE TO PUT THEM. THE OMNIPOP SPREADSHEET COMES UP ON THE SCREEN, BUT I CANN'T TYPE ANYTHING ON IT. THIS IS ALL NEW TO ME, ANY HELP WILL BE GREATLY APPRECIATED evbdv

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      • #4
        Originally posted by evbdv
        THIS IS NOT REALLY A REPLY, BUT I COULDN'T FIGURE OUT HOW TO POST. DID NOT SEE ANYTHING ABOUT POSTING A NEW MESSAGE, I APOLOGIZE FOR PUTTING THIS QUESTION HERE. I'VE NEVER POSTED ANYWHERE ON ANY SITE, YEP, I'M A VIRGIN. I CAN NOT GET OMNIPOP TO WORK FOR ME. I DON'T KNOW HOW TO PUT MY RESULTS FOR AUTOSOMAL MARKERS OR X-STR MARKERS IN OMNIPOP OR WHERE TO PUT THEM. THE OMNIPOP SPREADSHEET COMES UP ON THE SCREEN, BUT I CANN'T TYPE ANYTHING ON IT. THIS IS ALL NEW TO ME, ANY HELP WILL BE GREATLY APPRECIATED evbdv
        I'm certainly no expert, but if you use only the green boxes in the upper left hand corner (don't type, just click and select your marker values) you'll get results. As far as I know it's only for autosomal markers. Good luck

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        • #5
          Thank You

          I followed your directions. It works! Now that I have my values entered what do I do ? I tried: show map, show frequencies, all the tabs, but no information came up that I could understand. Is there some kind of calculation that omnipop does so you can have a list of all the types of ancestors you have ( with percentages ? ) or do you have to figure that out yourself ? Where are people getting those list of all their heritages and the amounts? My mother's side is where the mystery is. My godmother, who is also my aunt, knows the history, but she is not talking. She celebrated her 100th birthday in May 2007, rode to the party on the back of my cousin's motorcycle. She says she is not doing triple digits; we may never know the family secrets/history. Sure hope she changes her mind, but I am going the dna route so maybe some of the stories can be verified. My grandfather' mother was native american, maybe, or could just be a story. We walk on the heads of our ancestors, read that somewhere. evbdv

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          • #6
            Omnipop

            Originally posted by evbdv
            I followed your directions. It works! Now that I have my values entered what do I do ? I tried: show map, show frequencies, all the tabs, but no information came up that I could understand. Is there some kind of calculation that omnipop does so you can have a list of all the types of ancestors you have ( with percentages ? ) or do you have to figure that out yourself ? Where are people getting those list of all their heritages and the amounts? My mother's side is where the mystery is. My godmother, who is also my aunt, knows the history, but she is not talking. She celebrated her 100th birthday in May 2007, rode to the party on the back of my cousin's motorcycle. She says she is not doing triple digits; we may never know the family secrets/history. Sure hope she changes her mind, but I am going the dna route so maybe some of the stories can be verified. My grandfather' mother was native american, maybe, or could just be a story. We walk on the heads of our ancestors, read that somewhere. evbdv
            The "show frequencies" shows populations that the alleles "match" in order from "most likely to match" to "least likely to match". Look for known ancestry and your suspected ancestry and see where they fall in the list. Percentages of your makeup are not given.

            Good luck!

            PS. If you have a fair amount of European ancestry try ENFSI.http://www.str-base.org/

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