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  • Rare Y Haplogroup for Geography. Help!

    Hi,

    I'm just starting to look at Y DNA. My male cousin has tested, I'm also fortunate that a descendant of a patriarch of my genetic line posted on an FTDNA surname group with the same haplotype results as my cousins'. My pedigree shows that the immigrant of this paternal line came to America from Devon, England in about 1640. Our family oral history has always been that we are Welsh.

    I have run into a couple of problems trying to understand what I can gather about these y DNA results.

    First, because my father's line is Welsh, surnames mean nothing.

    Second, we are the only ones with our haplogroup on the assigned surname group, so DNA isn't helping much, either.

    Third, although after a wide search on the internet I can find four matching individuals, the literature claims that Welsh people with this DNA haplogroup are virtually non-existent. In Wales, that is. We appear to be numerous elsewhere in Great Britain.

    The good news is, our patriarch's descendant has done extensive testing, but I don't know what it means. Can anyone help me decipher this?

    Here are our patriarch's descendant's results:

    13
    25
    14
    11
    11
    -13
    12
    12
    12
    13
    14
    29
    18
    9
    -10
    11
    11
    25
    15
    18
    30
    15
    -16
    -16
    -17
    11
    11
    19
    -23
    16
    16
    18
    17
    39
    -39
    12
    12
    11
    9
    15
    -16
    8
    10
    10
    8
    10
    10
    12
    21
    -23
    16
    10
    12
    12
    16
    8
    12
    24
    20
    13
    13
    11
    12
    11
    11
    12
    12
    35
    15
    9
    16
    12
    24
    26
    20
    12
    11
    12
    12
    11
    9
    12
    12
    10
    11
    11
    30
    12
    13
    24
    13
    10
    10
    22
    15
    18
    13
    24
    17
    13
    15
    24
    12
    23
    18
    10
    14
    17
    9
    12
    11


    If anyone can give me a clue what this amounts to, I will be less clueless and more thankful!

    --Paminoh
    Last edited by Paminoh; 2 September 2018, 08:44 PM.

  • #2
    What is the haplogroup?

    Not much can be inferred from the haplotype without other information.

    Anyway, rare haplogroups occur in the most interesting places, and we need to remember that DNA does not respect borders.

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    • #3
      Hi, Spruithean

      Thanks for your query. The haplogroup is not rare, unless you consider its an origin in Wales. It's Y Haplogroup R M-222.

      The pedigree I have says our immigrant was born in Bedfordshire, England. All the family oral tradition points to origins in Wales. . . including a silly toe-naming game passed down in the family. Evidently the toe-naming game goes back to Tudor times, but we know the Tudors were at least part Welsh.

      Any thoughts about what the DNA string tells us?

      Thanks!!

      Pam inoh

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      • #4
        The haplotype (the string of numbers) does n't really mean much by itself. It's more useful being used to determine matches in the database, which FTDNAs matching algorithms will do for you.

        SNP testing would provide more information of your specific terminal SNP for this lineage if that is of interest.

        R-M222 being a subclade of a R-L21 means it is quite overwhelmingly common in Ireland and Western Britain, it is also found in Brittany. It's likely the Briton and Gaelic people had high levels of R-L21 male lineages (as well as some lineages belonging to Haplogroup I also).

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