Haplogroup Testee's

[Ladybug]

My husband's DNA shows (1) exact match in Haplogroup R1b, Portugal, and several in the exact match REO group, but he shows no matches in his Y-DNA matches. If the Haplogroup and REO are recent DNA samples?, would it not mean there is some family connection, even though it may be because they all migrated to different places? Or are there other possibilities?

[admin]

Re: Haplogroup Testee's

Originally posted by Ladybug
My husband's DNA shows (1) exact match in Haplogroup R1b, Portugal, and several in the exact match REO group, but he shows no matches in his Y-DNA matches. If the Haplogroup and REO are recent DNA samples?, would it not mean there is some family connection, even though it may be because they all migrated to different places? Or are there other possibilities?

There are 3 alternatives:
- the person he matches is part of Dr. Hammer's database, which was added to the REO/Haplogroup databases for comparative purposes on recent and deep ancestral origins
- the person he matches didn't sign the release form, or is part of a private surname project
- your husband did not sign the release form

If you send me a private message with your husband's kit# I can check for you which of these 3 possibilities occurred.

[Bill Hurst]

Ladybug, it sounds like the person who matched on your husband's REO page has not signed the Release Form, so his name wouldn't show up on the Y-DNA Matches Page. If I understand correctly, the Haplogroup Page is Dr. Hammer's U. of Arizona study; those names don't ever show up. Bill H.

[Ladybug]

Originally posted by Bill Hurst
Ladybug, it sounds like the person who matched on your husband's REO page has not signed the Release Form, so his name wouldn't show up on the Y-DNA Matches Page. If I understand correctly, the Haplogroup Page is Dr. Hammer's U. of Arizona study; those names don't ever show up. Bill H.

Your answer is probably true, but brings up another question. If my husband signed his release, which we think he did, would this exact match receive info on my husband? And is Dr. Hammers haplogroup info also in the REO info, as there is one exact match of 29 entries for Portugal, (besides 27 others in the REO data). Ladybug

[Bill Hurst]

Originally posted by Ladybug
Your answer is probably true, but brings up another question. If my husband signed his release, which we think he did, would this exact match receive info on my husband? And is Dr. Hammers haplogroup info also in the REO info, as there is one exact match of 29 entries for Portugal, (besides 27 others in the REO data). Ladybug

Good questions, Ladybug; Max can probably answer them. In our Hurst project there is one person who has not signed the release; I've wondered what he sees about the rest of us. Bill H.

[admin]

Originally posted by Bill Hurst
Good questions, Ladybug; Max can probably answer them. In our Hurst project there is one person who has not signed the release; I've wondered what he sees about the rest of us. Bill H.

Bill,
Replied a few days ago in a private message: the match was from Dr. Hammer's database.

[whitkeen]

Does this mean that everyone in Dr. Hammer's database has NOT signed a release? It would be useful if they at least have the option of signing a release and finding their perobably distant kin. I have held off suggesting that people in our study take the DNA print test precisely because I think at this time it will lead to more confusion and frustration -- more heat than light if you will. To find matches that you cannot interact with, and matches that go back far into the mists of time, while interesting, are not genealogically useful.

[admin]

Originally posted by whitkeen
Does this mean that everyone in Dr. Hammer's database has NOT signed a release? It would be useful if they at least have the option of signing a release and finding their perobably distant kin. I have held off suggesting that people in our study take the DNA print test precisely because I think at this time it will lead to more confusion and frustration -- more heat than light if you will. To find matches that you cannot interact with, and matches that go back far into the mists of time, while interesting, are not genealogically useful.

Dear Whitney,

Early in the process, and in order to add to the REO database results, and later on, in order to be able to make reliable suggestions as to Y-DNA Haplogroup classification, Dr. Hammer added between 2 - 3K entries to our database. Those entries are anonymous and serve the purpose of having confirmed countries of origin and Haplogroups for comparison purposes. That's why sometimes you will see matches in the REO or Haplogroup database, without a corresponding match in the Y-DNA results page.

[Ladybug]

Thanks for the explanation, Max. Your reply to Whitkeen was very helpful. It appears we need lots more testing by the average person interested in "genealogy" who wish to locate more recent ancestors, and who will sign releases. I know in my father's surname we have a one generation brick wall, but I will have to talk my brother or his son into using their DNA, and then others in that line. Starting a group has got to be difficult, maybe "testing" will become more popular in the next few years. Ladybug

[whitkeen]

In our family surname study I see the opposite. We have 8 exact matches and another pair of exact matches, but these people do not seem to have exact matches, or not 8 of them, for REO and Haplogroups. Wouldn't they match there also, or is the 12 marker test not precise enough to indicate matches in those categories? Also, a problem with REO is that people move around and often there is written documentation of the move, which makes the last location before US emigration less meaningful. I do see why exact matches in the REO database may not produce any contact names, but will these people ever have the opportunity to "go public" and give you or Dr. Hammer their emails for contact?