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  • How (and whether) to order FF after Ancestry V2 transfer?

    I transferred my AncestryDNA V2 to FTDNA a year ago and recently have been learning about the limitations of Ancestry V2 compared with Family Finder. I've looked into ordering an FF test, but the website won't allow me to order it on the same account with the AncestryDNA transfer. Apparently I have to create a new account. This creates a problem because I've just ordered a Y-37 test on that account. It would mean that my Y-37 and FF test results would be in different accounts.

    Am I misunderstanding something? I'll appreciate any comments either about how to resolve it or whether the FF test is sufficiently superior to the Ancestry V2 test to be worth ordering. I phoned FTDNA yesterday and was told there was only a "negligible" advantage to ordering FF. I'm on a limited budget. I can't afford the FF test unless there's a reasonable hope of it providing significantly better information than Ancestry V2.

    My immediate goal is to determine whether my real paternal grandfather was my grandfather or his maternal cousin (I don't know who the cousin's father was). They were in Great Britain. I'm also trying to learn about my maternal grandfather's ancestry in Germany. I haven't been able to learn anything about his ancestry beyond his parents, either through genealogy research or DNA.

    I've done a lot of genealogy research but am fairly new to DNA.
    Last edited by DigitalDragon; 16 June 2018, 09:39 AM.

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    If you are on a limited budget I would just stay with the transfer and not do Family Finder. Yes, you are missing out on the smaller matches but the smaller matches are harder to work with anyways unless that is what you want to do. Doing Family Finder won't provide "significantly better" results just the same as what you have but more smaller matches. If you are set on doing Family Finder having two accounts isn't that big a deal, if it bothers you that much just have customer service delete the Ancestry transfer from your account and then order Family Finder to that same account.

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    • #3
      You can also call FTDNA and have them delete your Ancestry upload and then buy Family Finder.

      My FF test that I purchased here has 934 matches.

      My sister, who transferred from Ancestry has only 146 matches.

      That might give you some idea of the difference.

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      • #4
        I appreciate the limited budget. In that case ordinarily I would say be patient and wait on the Y-37 results and then reconsider FF. The test periodically comes on sale and timewise your sample will already be in storage at FTDNA.

        One problem, which I do not know the answer about and I wish FTDNA was more open with the status, is that the current chipset used for FF is being phased out by the manufacturer. At any time FTDNA could start using the new chipset, but it is not clear how many of the SNP's which FF now uses will be retained.

        The last chance for getting the old test may be coming very soon, or you could order but get the newer (but likely inferior for genetic matching) test.

        I am not sure what to advise.

        Jack
        Last edited by georgian1950; 16 June 2018, 11:55 AM. Reason: additional info

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        • #5
          Thanks, travers, MoberlyDrake, and Jack. That's all very good information that helps me, especially having FTDNA delete my AncestryDNA when I'm ready to order FF. That's a possibility I hadn't given enough thought to. There's no reason to have both AncestryDNA and FF results.

          Jack's comments about a possible FTDNA chip change is a definite argument for doing the FF sooner rather than later. I expect I will do it eventually anyway; the one problem with doing it now would be if I need to upgrade from Y-37 to y-67 for identifying my real paternal grandfather and great-grandfather. However the FF is likely to help with both this and several other family mysteries, so maybe FF might be more important than a Y-67 upgrade. I can't afford both the Y-67 and FF.

          Right now I'm inclining towards doing the FF soon and gambling that the Y-67 won't be necessary. I'm just beginning to learn about DNA, so I'll appreciate opinions from more experienced folks here.
          Last edited by DigitalDragon; 16 June 2018, 01:06 PM.

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          • #6
            When FTDNA has to change chips they will go to a specially modified chip that will contain more markers than the chip currently being used by Ancestry. They announced this last November.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by georgian1950 View Post
              ... the current chipset used for FF is being phased out by the manufacturer. At any time FTDNA could start using the new chipset, but it is not clear how many of the SNP's which FF now uses will be retained. The last chance for getting the old test may be coming very soon, or you could order but get the newer (but likely inferior for genetic matching) test...
              Jack
              Originally posted by Jim Barrett View Post
              When FTDNA has to change chips they will go to a specially modified chip that will contain more markers than the chip currently being used by Ancestry. They announced this last November.
              Jim and Jack-
              I've been doing genealogy for decades, but am new to DNA, so I want to make sure I understand. When I put these two statements together, am I reading them correctly as saying that FTDNA's new chip will likely have fewer markers than the chip FTDNA currently uses, but more than the chip used by Ancestry V2?

              If this is the case, I'm wondering whether I should delete my AncestryDNA upload and do the FF test sooner rather than later (and maybe now because the Father's Day sale ends tomorrow). Could you give me links to where I can find more information to guide my decision, particularly about how inferior the new chip might be for finding the true identities of my paternal grandfather and his father?

              I am doing my Y-37 swabs today and will ship them tomorrow.
              Erik
              Last edited by DigitalDragon; 17 June 2018, 01:41 PM.

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              • #8
                I am not having much luck in finding the FTDNA statement from last November, but I believe the company has not yet announced how many SNP's will be retained. If only 50,000 get dropped that will not be too bad. However if it was 200,000, that would be another matter.

                Another problem was that implementation was expected to be before now.


                Jack

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                • #9
                  In March 2018, I made a wordy post about the blog reports (with quotes) from the November Genetic Genealogy conference in Houston. There are two links confirming what was announced about the chip changes to come.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by DigitalDragon View Post
                    Jim and Jack-
                    I've been doing genealogy for decades, but am new to DNA, so I want to make sure I understand. When I put these two statements together, am I reading them correctly as saying that FTDNA's new chip will likely have fewer markers than the chip FTDNA currently uses, but more than the chip used by Ancestry V2?

                    If this is the case, I'm wondering whether I should delete my AncestryDNA upload and do the FF test sooner rather than later (and maybe now because the Father's Day sale ends tomorrow). Could you give me links to where I can find more information to guide my decision, particularly about how inferior the new chip might be for finding the true identities of my paternal grandfather and his father?

                    I am doing my Y-37 swabs today and will ship them tomorrow.
                    Erik
                    I can't give you a link because the comment I heard was verbal. You might check the link posted above.

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                    • #11
                      I phoned FTDNA today. I was ready to order the FF, but just like last week, the person I spoke with today insisted there was no advantage to getting a new FF test if I already had an AncestryDNA upload. He made me feel like a fool for even asking.

                      Erik
                      Last edited by DigitalDragon; 18 June 2018, 09:26 AM.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by DigitalDragon View Post
                        I phoned FTDNA today. I was ready to order the FF, but just like last week, the person I spoke with today insisted there was no advantage to getting a new FF test if I already had an AncestryDNA upload. He made me feel like a fool for even asking.

                        Erik
                        Wow! Thanks for passing that on.

                        Jack

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                        • #13
                          One thing that bothers me about both my calls to FTDNA was that the two people I spoke with never asked or cared about why I was doing the test. I would think that, for example, testing to learn my ancient origins or to learn the identity of my grandfather (my goal) would present a different set of factors to consider in deciding whether to do the FF test or stick with my AncestryDNA upload. I would expect that when I did the AncestryDNA test should also be a factor. The two FTDNA reps I spoke with however could only repeat that there was no point in doing an FF test if I'd already been tested at Ancestry.

                          It left me with the feeling that these are simply call center personnel who know little about DNA. True or not, it's very disappointing for a company like FTDNA.
                          Erik
                          Last edited by DigitalDragon; 18 June 2018, 12:32 PM.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by DigitalDragon View Post
                            One thing that bothers me about both my calls to FTDNA was that the two people I spoke with never asked or cared about why I was doing the test. I would think that, for example, testing to learn my ancient origins or to learn the identity of my grandfather (my goal) would present a different set of factors to consider in deciding whether to do the FF test or stick with my AncestryDNA upload. I would expect that when I did the AncestryDNA test should also be a factor. The two FTDNA reps I spoke with however could only repeat that there was no point in doing an FF test if I'd already been tested at Ancestry.

                            It left me with the feeling that these are simply call center personnel who know little about DNA. True or not, it's very disappointing for a company like FTDNA.
                            Erik
                            If you really want Family Finder order it to a new account, then it might be easier later when you get results to ask customer service to delete the transfer from the 1st account and then combine the two accounts into one. Personally, I would agree with them that it isn't that beneficial to most people to do Family Finder if you've already done a transfer. Obviously there will be differing views on that and some people like investigating the smaller matches or at least knowing they're there.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by travers View Post
                              If you really want Family Finder order it to a new account, then it might be easier later when you get results to ask customer service to delete the transfer from the 1st account and then combine the two accounts into one. Personally, I would agree with them that it isn't that beneficial to most people to do Family Finder if you've already done a transfer. Obviously there will be differing views on that and some people like investigating the smaller matches or at least knowing they're there.
                              Of course, Erik ends up with two different samples (and sampling fees) that way.

                              My best advances have been from using 1.0 cM minimum segment size with FF Chromosome Browser. With the number of SNPs that FTDNA uses with the small segments, there is no false-positive problem. The current thinking on distant matching methodology is basically one bad assumption piled upon others. That is why no one can figure out anything more than a few generations back.

                              Jack

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